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Melonfish

Evil Genius in training.
Location
Warrington, UK
Hah, just reminded that when i started i was gifted an old guitar playing book, the great burt weedon!
the cover price was in old money too!

not a bad book if i remember right, ere pepecat, whats this about acoustics being chord/strummers? have you heard of a chap called eric roche?
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
you can download a free guitar tuner on to your pc called ap tuner, it uses the pc microphone to detect the notes and how far out you are with the tuning.

This is a good thing to do...but let me add that imho you should be totally capable of tuning your guitar without an electronic tuner as well. I can usually tune a guitar to concert pitch without an electronic tuner OR any other note reference point. This way your EAR gets tuned in..trust me its better in the long term. But to start with use a tuner to build your EAR...I stil use a tuner live though to save the audiances ears as you can tune up silently.
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
Sorry to hijack this thread. I was wondering if any of the more experienced players have any advice for learning string bends please. After finally getting hold of a correct version of Stairway To Heaven guitar pro file I am trying to learn the solo. My bends are a bit off, but it seems to help slowing the track down and looping parts of it using a great program called the amazing slow downer. A previous guitar tutor recommended playing the note that I am trying to bend up to and then playing the bend. I am not that sure about this as it is boring and I have a feeling that trying to match an accomplished guitarist like I am currently with Jimmy Page may be a better and much more interesting solution. Just wondered if any other players have any advice please?
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
ha..the dreaded bends eh..:smile:..ok

Bending the string is a technique used to add emotion/feel to a note...a similar thing can be done via sliding up (or down) to the target note but it has a different effect..less feel IMO. Ending a bended note with vibrato helps with the feel as well.

Often bending strings to start with is trickier than slides because you have to judge the target note by ear ( whereas on a slide you have a fret position to aim for)...this is one area where having a good EAR developed (as I mentioned above somewhere) really helps. There is little worse sounding that a bend that misses the target note.

Another thing that beginners often find tough at first is having the finger strength to complete the bend (and the callous in place to stop any pain!)

Building you ear comes with time and good practice. You will of course hear when the bend is out against the backing track as well. Your tutor suggested you hit the target note in advance (I guess) so that you can hear where you are headed with the bend..i.e listen to the note, then try to reach it via a different technique (the bend). I think thats a good start...in the stairway solo the first note is a bend up a tone (depends which version)...but it can also be done with a slide up 2 frets (2 frets =a tone...1 fret being a semi tone).

Building finger strength takea bit of time and practice, this will also build up those callouses to make it apainless experience one day soon!

to help with this, dont simply bend with one finger, back it up with a secon to add stability and strength. So on that frst stairway bend ...a on etone bend up from 7th fret g string to 9th fret g string (with added vibrato/finger wobble)...the main finger in action here is your third finger...do that alone and it'll feel week and hurt a bit to start with...so back it up by placing the middle finger on the 6th fret behind it (you wont hear anything from the 6th fret its jus tthere to support the third finger) then bend up pushing with both fingers at the same time...doubles your strength and eases pain.

When you complete the bend vibrate the string at the top of the bend (vibrato)..in this case anyway.

What guage strings are you using?
heavy strings will sound tonally better but make this bending technique tougher. You should be fine though with .09's or .10's fitted.

As for your 'boring' comment...yep..sometimes doing it right can be boring, but it's worth it...and of course there is no reason why you cant do both at the same time.

Cheers.
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
Thanks BigonaBianchi for the detailed and useful post. My guitar is fitted with 10 gauge strings, I have tried 9’s before but they feel a bit too elastic for me, although admittedly they are slightly easier to bend. It is also learning how to bend the string at the correct speed or smoothness whilst moving up to the required tone. I think it is that and the culmination of the bend often not at the correct pitch when I reach what I think is the required pitch. It sounds a little like a strangled cat at times. I need to put more time into it, which is difficult as I have a young child. Also I tend to spend more time trying to play the rhythm parts of tracks as I find it easier. I think that the best way with this solo is to put the time in and try to nail it as good as I can. I am trying to learn this one as I read it was one of the easier ones, I also think it’s a really good one. I am sure that there are easier ones to learn though but that’s just a cop out.
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
Thanks BigonaBianchi for the detailed and useful post. My guitar is fitted with 10 gauge strings, I have tried 9’s before but they feel a bit too elastic for me, although admittedly they are slightly easier to bend. It is also learning how to bend the string at the correct speed or smoothness whilst moving up to the required tone. I think it is that and the culmination of the bend often not at the correct pitch when I reach what I think is the required pitch. It sounds a little like a strangled cat at times. I need to put more time into it, which is difficult as I have a young child. Also I tend to spend more time trying to play the rhythm parts of tracks as I find it easier. I think that the best way with this solo is to put the time in and try to nail it as good as I can. I am trying to learn this one as I read it was one of the easier ones, I also think it’s a really good one. I am sure that there are easier ones to learn though but that’s just a cop out.

glad to help mate..

you may want to try 9's jus tfor now (just be sure your guitar is set up correctly for any string guage change you make) but tens are ok, you'll just find it a little tougher to start with..

It is also learning how to bend the string at the correct speed or smoothness whilst moving up to the required tone. I think it is that and the culmination of the bend often not at the correct pitch when I reach what I think is the required pitch. It sounds a little like a strangled cat at times.

Ok..well that's totally normal for beginners..(some of mine still sound like strenagled cats on a bad day lol!)

Do this:
1) Be sure what the required ton e is. Hence your tutors idea was agood one. Play that note until you get it firmly in your head.

2) Unplug the guitar and play acoustically.

3) Tap your foot in time to the track...bet it's ...1 2 3 4 etc

4) In this (stairway) case the bend comes in on the 1 count and bends up to the 2 count and sustains for the 3 &4 counts. Try that timing and loop it around , play it over and over. So you are aiming to hit your target note on the 2.

5) you want a steady bend, the same speed throughout the bend. This is a timing thing as per 4) and also about the finger support/strength I mentioned in post above.

6) The strangled cat sound may be several things.
a) most likely, your fingers are weakening as the bend reaches its peak (lack of strength) and lifting off the string a little killing the note. You need to build finger strenght and push down a little harder to start with. Once you have that strength I will tell you to relax the fingers.
b) Your guitar is not set up right and the action is to low killing th enote as you bend because the string touches a higher fret. Raise the action, or/and check the neck relief (bend in the neck)..I can tell you how, if you like but for now dont touch anything to do with your truss rod.
c)your fingers are not forming what i call a hammer shape..i'e jus the tips of finger touching th estrings , no fleshy bits in contact (imagine how the hammers inside a paino hit the strings..just the hammer tips, that is how your fingers should fret). If the underside (fleshy parts) of your fingers lay across strings they will kill the notes)

Practice jus tthis one bend until it is correct. Do it very slowly and dont rush. GET IT RIGHT before you speed up. Then play that bend on every fret position UP along the neck as far as you can. And then play it back DOWN again.

Are you using a plectrum? If not then your right hand may be killing notes as well causing cat effects. Plectrum technique is important in getting clean notes.
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
Cheers for taking the time to reply again mate, very well written and helpful. The guitar string height is pretty low, it's a Maverick (don't make them anymore) Species 1 guitar, looks similar to an Ibanez RG (pointy superstrat) but a hard tail. Definitely not the type of guitar I would normally go for lookswise but I love the fast thin neck and I got it half price. When I got it setup which included a fret dress as it had the odd high frets I really did not know what to ask for. My guess is either they set it as low as possible or maybe just thought that it looks like a "shredders" guitar and set it low because of that. Regarding the plectrum that I use, I used to use fairly big ones but after reading on a forum I started using Jim Dunlop Jazz 3 picks. These are very small but I seem to be able to pick faster, but because of the size I often feel my fingers touching the strings (more so with chords). When I try using a larger pick it just feels massive and awkward now, but on the other hand I should maybe persevere with one and I am sure that I will get used to it. Thats great advice about the timing with the bend I will use my metranome. I'll also raise the sting height a bit too, it is just a Gibson style tune-o-matic bridge so pretty easy to alter the string height. Thanks for the help again.
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
Ok..couple more comments:

I am a shredder myself and my action is set medium, not super low..in fact my necks are fully scalloped out deeply between frets as well....you can play fast with a sensible action, it doesnt need to be super low if your technique is correct.

Plectrums..ok..FWIW and everybody has different taste, I use very heavy thick Jim dunlops 2.0mm stubby triangles. They help with accuracy and last a lifetime! Although there are techniques where you will want to have flesh touching string at the same time as the pick...pinch harmonics for example, for now let's avoid that. Just get used to having the pic ONLY touch the strings. be sure to always pick down up down up down up in time with a click track or metronome or your foot tapping to start with.

My guess is that if you had the guitar set up professinally the action will be fine and it's unlikely th ecause of joking cat noises...mostly the cause is to be found with your fretting technique at the moment.

Don't be tempted to go for speed yet...really..it's the biggest mistake people make. GET IT RIGHT AND DO IT SLOW...applies for many things, but learning guitar is one of them!
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
Cheers mate I have took it all on-board. I think I may get some of those picks that you use, cheap enough and worth a try. Regarding the speed I do not think that I will ever be a shredder. Speed is certainly something that I lack. I do excersises to try and increase it, but I agree it's not worth playing something fast if there is no control.
 

Melonfish

Evil Genius in training.
Location
Warrington, UK
what kind of plectrum do you use?
what kind of coffee/cereal/women/men do you like!

plecs are as individual as playing styles, i've got friends that play acoustics with 2-3mm bass pics! others that play electric with nano wafers heh. its all down to pref.
i'm using light strings 12 - 53's and i use .43 to .60 plecs depending on song and style, that or my nails (i'm all acoustic nowdays)
slow is the way to go that's for sure takes me some time to learn some harder parts, for instance Big love acoustic is A DEVIL!!
lindsay buckingham can't be human.... still slow and steady wins the playing race ;)

forgot to mention i got a loop pedal for christmas, can't stress how much fun it is! takes a little getting used to for timing but if you can grab one do so! helps majorly to clean up your playing and timing too, hearing yourself playing back you can spot the mistakes and try and correct them the next time you play
 

Cletus Van Damme

Previously known as Cheesney Hawks
One of those loop pedals sounds like a good idea melonfish. Sounds like something that might be useful as I tend to waste money on amps, multi effects units that I think will make me sound better. I also used to do the same guitars then I eventually realised that it does not matter what the quality of the kit is if you are shoot player it makes little odds.
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
so far...and I bet you are better than 99% of your mates.

The main differences between success and shall we say 'less success' are attitude and practice time.

If you are at the point where you have really pissed off your entire household, neighbours, teachers and everyone you know and ever knew, with you incessant 'plinking' on an unplugged electric while they watch tv etc then you are nearly 10% there^_^

I know kids here who practice 8 hours a day...I used to be one of those many moons ago.
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
I'm thinking of splashing out on a subscription to the Guitar Tricks membership site that I mentioned above. They have a special offer on for the next couple of weeks - $99 for a year. I want to try them out and then promote the site if it as good as it looks, but I think that I should be a member myself if I'm going to do that. Watch out for my 'before' and 'after' videos on YouTube! :thumbsup:
 
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