Parking wars outside my house

[Deleted member 26715]

And the rest of us help you out with it.

Do you, how do you do that?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Through our taxes, funding the infrastructure required to facilitate your lifestyle choices.

Oh so you only believe in paying for oneself do you, so I presume you don't support the NHS, schools, etc.

 

[theclaud]

Oh so you only believe in paying for oneself do you, so I presume you don't support the NHS, schools, etc.

Those are public benefits. Car ownership is a private one. Your having a car benefits no one outside your immediate social circle, and has negative impacts on everyone.

 

[pauldavid]

Well that's me convinced.

Good, glad I could help.

 

[DaveReading]

Choices choices.

Let me guess, they're kids so their time has less value than yours.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Those are public benefits. Car ownership is a private one. Your having a car benefits no one outside your immediate social circle, and has negative impacts on everyone.

I just trying to determine why it is perceived I am sponging on the common wealth & where you none motoring peeps are supporting my habit.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

It is something that you have already acknowledged

I never acknowledged that if you check correctly you will see that is the answer I got from the treasury, I took it they mean out in Lincolnshire where it's 15 miles to a petrol station, or in the Yorkshire Dales, or even Scotland, although I live in a rural area, I'm only 4 miles from 'civilisation'

 

[Profpointy]

I just trying to determine why it is perceived I am sponging on the common wealth & where you none motoring peeps are supporting my habit.

Well it can quite realistically be argued that the undeniable harm caused by motorvehicles isn't remotely compensated for by motoring taxes but suffered by wider society. This 2000 dead on the roads,
and many many more injured, however many more harmed by pollution, the inability of children to play in the street, the general loss of public amenity from relentless traffic. All this is paid for by all but the benefits only acrue to the car owners. Economists call this externality.

I own and run a car but I don't dishonestly pretend it doesn't harm others. I would like a different sent up where I could make a different choice, or at least, where it would be less of a wrench

 

[Deleted member 26715]

the inability of children to play in the street,

Children play in the street all the time where I live, I suspect it's only city dwellers that can't

the general loss of public amenity from relentless traffic.

Not sure that I understand that point

All this is paid for by all but the benefits only acrue to the car owners.

So there is no pollution from the HGV's bringing in the exotic fruit from abroad, there is no pollution from jet engines taking people on holidays, no pollution from diesel trams taking sardines into the city? We are now far from the OP's point & you all appear to not wish to discuss sensible solutions like @User rail terminals in shopping centres. Carry on car bashing, but greater health savings could be made by casting your net further than the car.

 

[Profpointy]

Children play in the street all the time where I live, I suspect it's only city dwellers that can't
Not sure that I understand that point
So there is no pollution from the HGV's bringing in the exotic fruit from abroad, there is no pollution from jet engines taking people on holidays, no pollution from diesel trams taking sardines into the city? We are now far from the OP's point & you all appear to not wish to discuss sensible solutions like @User rail terminals in shopping centres. Carry on car bashing, but greater health savings could be made by casting your net further than the car.

Ok some children can play in some streets granted but it is a bit obtuse if you are really arguing that children aren't seriously at risk from traffic and that their freedom to play outside isn't curtailed.

The rest of your post does rather seem to be whateboutery to be honest.

 

[steve292]

You mean that we have to carry on subsidising those who choose to live in the country and commute into the cities?

Easy to say if you are in London, and government transport spending is 6 times more than in other areas of the UK.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/16/trains-too-expensive-transport-problem-subsidies-london

I agree that the car is in many ways extremely detrimental, and the use of cars is spiraling out of control and i'm not trying to pick a quarrel, but..........

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Ok some children can play in some streets granted but it is a bit obtuse if you are really arguing that children aren't seriously at risk from traffic and that their freedom to play outside isn't curtailed.

Sorry but this again is citycentric (if that is even a word) yes air pollution in some cities (possibly all) is bad, but that is not all down to car owners, blame the Government for the number of Diesels on the road, they encouraged everybody to buy them. I would love to change mine for electric, but it's just not practical, I can't afford to change & then I'm not convinced that we're not just moving the problem from the tailpipe to the chimney/output of the power station.

 

[nickyboy]

Increased taxation on private transport results in people living closer to their place of work, a reurbanisation of the population. Of course more people work from home than was the case in the past, but most people travel to a collective working environment, be that a shop, office, warehouse etc

It isn't feasible to construct a public transport network that would allow everyone to live where they live now if private transport were taxed to make it too expensive to maintain

But there is a finite supply of urban housing, so the price of urban housing would increase. And rural housing prices would fall. So the people who want to move to an urban environment because they can't afford to live in a rural one any more due to private transport costs, can't afford to move to an urban environment to reduce this cost as the extra housing price offsets this

Great for current urban dwellers (house has gone up in value). Not so great for current rural dwellers

 

[Deleted member 26715]

But what?

taxing them off the road is not the whole answer

 

[Andrew_P]

Its only taken a 100 years out of all of our history to get this dependent on motor vehicles, quite depressing really and I speak as a single Car owner.

I pondered the other day where all my cars were and all scrapped and off the road well the one I could remember the number plate, that cost to the planet must be significant.

They are now mobile status symbols, where people stretch their budget beyond all reason to have a "better" car. Then the running costs, genuinely there are cars down my road that are upwards of 20% of the house value, one its x 2 and house prices where I live are eye watering as it is.