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[Over The Hill]

Again, the "find food" mode is called "cravings" in the world of nutrition..
Cravings are created by the insuline imbalance in your blood, which is caused in its turn by consuming high glycemic index foods (basically processed and starchy carbs.. hello?) and by irregular eating habbits and time that exceeds the 4 hours between meals.
And I will stop here, because you are looking for abuse again..

Read mate! Ready before posting bull..

Firstly this is a chat forum. If you really cannot join it with out abuse or threatening abuse when someone holds a different view then perhaps you should not be here.

As we are on such forum then it is a bit churlish to correct my choice of words. My reference to Find food was to illustrate it was a basic cave-man instinct in us, but that seems to have passed you by. Sorry but I will try to make it simpler and more obvious.

On the point you make; the time is ticking from when you digest the food not from when you eat it.
So if you eat a quickly digested food at 8am you get a spike of energy quite soon after. This is gone quickly and so need more at 10am.
If you eat food that is greater in quantity and bulked out with more and harder to digest foods like bran for example then your body must take some time to digest it over a longer period. So at 10am you are still actually digesting breakfast and not wanting another snack.

I think you must be about the last person around advocating the Atkins Diet!!
What next the Cabbage soup diet? That was a fad a while back too.

 

[Over The Hill]

I will let you in a little secret:

If you eat a nice breakfast with 3 eggs and 3 slices of bacon and a nice tomato and a few mushroom, a nice mid-day snack with an apple and a handful of unsalted nuts, a luch with salad with walnuts, goats cheese, chicken breast and lots of colourful vegetable with a good amound of olive oil vinegrette, a nice mid-afternoon snack with a pear and natural peanutbutter spread a nice dinner with any source of protein you fancy (say a nice beef stake) and cooked any way you fancy (yes fried as well) with lots of cooked vegetables and raw salad (say the vegetables to cover 2/3 of your plate and your protein the other 1/3) and then a couple of hours before going to bed a cup of cottage cheese with pineapple and walnuts..
Guess what mate??

YOU DON'T JUST LOOSE FECKING WEIGHT.. YOU LOSE FECKING FAT!!!!
GET IT??

Dont forget the athletic activity that burns off 3000 calories of course.

And as for the rest of us who dont burn off that much?
Oh yes we get fat.
Sorry but you keep just seening the world from where you stand.

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

Whatever mate..
At the end of the day it's not me who's the overweight (never was actually), so I must be doing something right!

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

Dont forget the athletic activity that burns off 3000 calories of course.

And as for the rest of us who dont burn off that much?
Oh yes we get fat.
Sorry but you keep just seening the world from where you stand.

My "athletic" activity at the moment is limited to two bike rides in the region of 30miles each, weekly. I am 43 mate. I paid my dues.
And I work in an office.
And yes, I'm not overweight for a very good reason: I take my nutrition very seriously and I have educated myself over the years as to what and not to eat.
Make no mistake.. I scoff a good portion of cake in every single half-way cafe. Not because I need one.. Just because I fancy one!

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

My "athletic" activity at the moment is limited to two bike rides in the region of 30miles each, weekly. I am 43 mate. I paid my dues.
And I work in an office.
And yes, I'm not overweight for a very good reason: I take my nutrition very seriously and I have educated myself over the years as to what and not to eat.
Make no mistake.. I scoff a good portion of cake in every single half-way cafe. Not because I need one.. Just because I fancy one!

I think he is referring to my example but has got confused. Nobody mentioned 3000cal athletic activity. But 3000cal maintenance intake was referenced as an example to make a question work.

Those aren't the same obviously

 

[Marshmallow_Fluff]

On the point you make; the time is ticking from when you digest the food not from when you eat it.
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No sh$t Sherlock!!!

Do you know how much faster you break down cereal as oposed to slow released protein by any chance.. Make a guess..
C'mon.. you know you can!!!

 

[Over The Hill]

Lets use 3000 as an example from now on,as my previous post exampled. Why not 5 meals of 600cals or 6 meals of 500?

Or eat a smaller portion at breakfast and a smaller portion between then and lunch,perhaps even a small portion mid afternoon. If not, why not?

I haven't thought about food for a few years,haven't craved anything either.


Why?


Let's ditch the "snacking" all day thing yeah? What about eating smaller portions more often throughout the day, that is not indicative of snacking.

1. Limiting the food time to three main meals enables the person to be more in control of that food. It also just serves to bolt the fridge door shut between those times.
2. The reality is that if someone is hungry in work at 10 am then only things available for them to eat are sweets and crisps. Not may workplaces give access to healthy options.
3. The fruit only then will not fill you up to spoil the next meal.

It is a mix of many elements for most people on diets. Not simply down to scientific issues like the process of digestion. If you snack then that leads to more snacking as you are back again an hour or so later wanting food. You then are in a cycle of food eating and such food is usually high fat and high sugar junk food.
If you go for three big meals then you have a better chance of controlling what is in the meal (for most people that is simply more eaten at home and less at work) and if you are full you will be inclined to not think about wanting food and break the obsession many have wiith it.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

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1. Limiting the food time to three main meals enables the person to be more in control of that food. It also just serves to bolt the fridge door shut between those times.

Have ate 5-6 meals per day for the past 2 years. I am in control of my food, haven't craved anything since the 1st day I gave up smoking 3 1/2yrs ago.

2. The reality is that if someone is hungry in work at 10 am then only things available for them to eat are sweets and crisps. Not may workplaces give access to healthy options.

The reality is. I start work at 5.30am and eat breakfast before I leave. I also eat again when my colleagues have their morning break at 9.45. I also eat lunch when my colleagues do at 12.45. Then go home at 1.30ish

3. The fruit only then will not fill you up to spoil the next meal.

It is a mix of many elements for most people on diets. Not simply down to scientific issues like the process of digestion. If you snack then that leads to more snacking as you are back again an hour or so later wanting food. You then are in a cycle of food eating and such food is usually high fat and high sugar junk food.
If you go for three big meals then you have a better chance of controlling what is in the meal (for most people that is simply more eaten at home and less at work) and if you are full you will be inclined to not think about wanting food and break the obsession many have wiith it.

I don't quite know what to say,mainly because you'll cry abuse or something.

 

[Over The Hill]

No sh$t Sherlock!!!

Do you know how much faster you break down cereal as oposed to slow released protein by any chance.. Make a guess..
C'mon.. you know you can!!!

Again you are focussing on the actual process of release of the energy. That is only part of the picture.

You have already accepted that it is not just the type of food group but also the quantity.
The other factor is that if you eat protein, while it is much slower to digest it does not have the bulk of fruit or cerials.

Away from the scientific approach and in the real world it is simply the case that if most of us ate the breakfast you outline we would simply be consuming too many calories. Protein tends to come laden with calories so not suitable to those who are not burning up lots of calories.

So while not top of the tree, carbs have a reasonable mixture of bulk and digestion time to be eaten, digested over a few hours and so lasting through to the next meal five hours later.
Ideally each meal is of course a mixture of Carbs, Fibre and Protein and I do not advocate the exclusion of either.

Realistically there is a tendancy towards too much sugar and fat with most overweight people and a tendancy to eat far too often. It is very difficult (see constipators figures for WW) to get them to change their habits. Shoving them full of protein will despite what you say not help as their needs are far diffent to your own.
The usual step taken with anyone (as with the lasagne about 100 posts back) is for them to cut down on their carbs. They then eat less quantity, get hungry and give up and go back to the pies. All I am saying is to not cut out the carbs as they are not a problem eating a reasonable amount but to just focus on sugar and fat as the bad guys.

 

[Over The Hill]

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Have ate 5-6 meals per day for the past 2 years. I am in control of my food, haven't craved anything since the 1st day I gave up smoking 3 1/2yrs ago.


The reality is. I start work at 5.30am and eat breakfast before I leave. I also eat again when my colleagues have their morning break at 9.45. I also eat lunch when my colleagues do at 12.45. Then go home at 1.30ish





I don't quite know what to say,mainly because you'll cry abuse or something.

If you going over five hours and eating decent meals then are you not doing what i am suggesting?

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

If you going over five hours and eating decent meals then are you not doing what i am suggesting?

Youve been suggesting 3 large meals so no.

Going over 5 hours what?

 

[Dan B]

Protein tends to come laden with calories

Really? Ttbomk protein tends to come 'laden' with about 4 calories per gram, which is coincidentally the same figure as for carbohydrates, which is a little less than half the figure for fat (9g per gram). Protein-rich foods tend also to be fatty, which might be what you meant to say

But I think I already said that im not an expert on this stuff, so it might just be that I misunderstood what I've been told about it

 

[Dan B]

Also, while we're nitpicking, sugar is a carbohydrate

 

[Arch]

Look, different diets and styles of eating suit different people and routines. Why don't you all just shut the f up and go and have a piece of toast/nut cutlet/Mars Bar...

 

[BigonaBianchi]

Is this the right time to mention that I ate an entire angel cake last night?