Petition for law change - Ebike Assist Limit

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jowwy

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I've got nothing against e-bikes and love the fact its getting folk out on bikes who otherwise wouldn't be able to enjoy the cycling experience.

But the current limits sound entirely sensible to me, e-bikes are not designed as speed machines, if you want to go faster, pedal harder, or get a motorbike or moped.
What’s sensible to you about current limits???
 
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I can tell when a rider is making no effort, or at least not the effort to ride at 25mph and overtaking pretty fit club riders into a headwind.

I know you're Mr ebiker around here and won't have anything said bad about them. I think they're great actually, but there are problems brewing.
15.5mph is adequate, IMO. If you want to go faster assisted, go here https://urbanebikes.com/collections/speed-pedelec they'll happily sell you want you think you need. Just don't be riding on protected cycle paths, if you don't mind.
So what cube E road bike was this supposed rider using, when glass cranking at 25mph????
 

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So what cube E road bike was this supposed rider using, when glass cranking at 25mph????

Mate, just drop it. You wouldn't accept the word of anyone on here regardless. You've spent the entire day dismissing anyone with an opinion different to yours.
I did see a rider on cube e-road bike, he was going faster that he should have been capable of, it was obvious. But, you know, dismiss it like you usually do :okay:
I've been riding road bikes for 40 plus years and know the realistic speed range that people can achieve. Probably most people on here would notice the same.

I'm out of here, enjoy your ebiking, hope it keeps you 'fit'.
 
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This conversation is ridiculous. Imagine if owners of 30mph mopeds all said "we want our bikes to be able to legally reach 50mph". What do you think the answer would be? Buy a bigger bike and pass the test, maybe?
Ebikes can already be ridden legally by leg power over the 15.6mph limit........so why only allow assist up to that speed???

Roads have speed limits, but they don’t restrict car engines to only allow that speed, so why restrict Ebikes.......the conversation is only ridiculous to people who don’t like/want ebikers using their so called facilities.
 
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Mate, just drop it. You wouldn't accept the word of anyone on here regardless. You've spent the entire day dismissing anyone with an opinion different to yours.
I did see a rider on cube e-road bike, he was going faster that he should have been capable of, it was obvious. But, you know, dismiss it like you usually do :okay:
I've been riding road bikes for 40 plus years and know the realistic speed range that people can achieve. Probably most people on here would notice the same.

I'm out of here, enjoy your ebiking, hope it keeps you 'fit'.
It does and has helped me to regain my fitness after a serious knee injury and lose weight too......but I’m guessing that’s not true either.....

I also don’t need to drop it as I’m posting in the E bike section of this forum. If you don’t like it, then go post in the other non e bike parts of the forum.
 

Con

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Personally I think 15mph is plenty fast enough. Some of the ones that go faster are downright dangerous. The other week the wife and I were riding along a canal cycle path at about 15mph and one blew past us so close and fast he forced my wife onto the wet grass and made her fall off . He didn't even acknowledge us just carried on at about 25mph he was a complete t@#t.
 

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What’s sensible to you about current limits???
RE: What’s sensible to you about current limits???

Because the current limits are more akin to the speeds of your average cyclist, so if you are getting motor assistance and expect to avoid having helmets and insurance and share segregated space with us, its entirely reasonable you should have no problem with keeping to that speed. You have said yourself you can push and go faster if you wish, but that its harder to sustain. Welcome to the real world, that's just like real life and how regular bikes work. If the current limits make e-bikers behave in a manner more akin to regular bikers, that's what we should be aiming for if you're sharing our space, makes it more predictable and less intimidating for others.

Yes some cyclists can and do go faster than that, they are usually on racing bikes, the clue is in the name, they are designed for going fast, unlike e-bikes. But despite what they may claim their Strava says, most roadies do not go everywhere averaging 20mph. If the limiter were relaxed to 20 mph, we'd just get lots more e-bikes people riding everywhere on the limiter. Maybe you should get a racer, or a moped or motorbike if its more speed you want.

I have come across some of the de-restricted e-bikes that can do 25 mph and they are a menace. Personally I think its just a matter of time of before someone is killed by someone on one, and then the whole e-bike thing is going to receive a lot more scrutiny that it is now, not less. So enjoy your freedom while it lasts as long term I foresee more restrictions on them, not less.
 
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Pat "5mph"

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Ebikes can already be ridden legally by leg power over the 15.6mph limit........so why only allow assist up to that speed???
Well, then, if you are able to, pedal faster.
If you are not, be happy with what you've got.
If I could do 15.6mph on the commute I would not use the crap cycle route.
Imo we should have a speed restriction on Ebikes, because, although they are great for the riders that need assistance, frankly I don't see the majority of Ebike riders behaving on the shared paths if they have a chance to go faster with less effort than a non assisted rider.
Yes, there are fast riders on the shared/segregated paths, most are faster than me, some are aggressive, some are polite.
Very few though, ime of 8 years commuting, can keep the 20mph pace.
The ones that can, again ime, prefer to take the road because they have a clearer run.
The increased affordability of Ebikes give the opportunity to go fast to every Joe Blogg that hasn't been on a bike for 30 years, probably has limited bike handling skills, is not used to dogs/kids/pedestrian randomly appearing in front of him.
Roads have speed limits, but they don’t restrict car engines to only allow that speed, so why restrict Ebikes.......the conversation is only ridiculous to people who don’t like/want ebikers using their so called facilities.
I don't know in your area, but here we have had to fight hard to get the segregated facilities we have.
The idea is to enable everyone, from your granny to the schoolkids, to do a bike journey in relative safety.
I say relative, because the facilities we have here are by no means perfectly safe.
No, I don't want a 20mph Ebiker on a shared or segregated path.
15mph is plenty to inflict damage, let's keep it that way.
 
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