Police pulling me over.........

[MarkF]

I can only assume the OP has mistakenly posted this thread here whilst thinking he was on a motor bike forum.

I am ahead, the best the bike forum could come up with was.

1. Sell the bike. (Get larger capacity)
2. Buy private plates. (If plate has a "marker" against it)

I bought the bike because it was 125cc, 100+ mpg, £17 road tax etc, I don't need or want anything bigger, it's perfect for zipping through traffic choked roads.

 

[classic33]

Next time it happens, explain to them very calmly and politely that you are totally compliant with the law and would like to prevent this from happening again. Ask for their help in achieving this. Keep a record of place, date and time you were stopped. If it persists you can write to the commissioner I believe (might want to look up who it actually is you complain to). Other than that, not a lot you can do apart from keep your license handy to minimise time it takes to get out!

PCC or Force?

The latter I've the relevant numbers for.

 

[classic33]

I am ahead, the best the bike forum could come up with was.

1. Sell the bike. (Get larger capacity)
2. Buy private plates. (If plate has a "marker" against it)

I bought the bike because it was 125cc, 100+ mpg, £17 road tax etc, I don't need or want anything bigger, it's perfect for zipping through traffic choked roads.

Errr...
Whats this?

 

[Dec66]

Next time, tell Dibble to do one.

Or, rather, explain that you are fully in compliance with legislation, and if he/she has reason to believe otherwise then to declare the basis for his/her suspicions.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

I can only assume the OP has mistakenly posted this thread here whilst thinking he was on a motor bike forum.

My v5 says bicycle on it

 

[snorri]

I am ahead, the best the bike forum could come up with was.

My post was lighthearted after being rather confused by the foreign (motor bike) terminology.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Errr...
Whats this?

That can of worms was reopened by Osborne last year.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-ne...015-new-road-repair-fund-and-car-tax-overhaul

"will go into a new road fund"
"Osborne said: "We will create a new roads fund from the end of this decade and every single penny raised in vehicle excise duty will go into that fund to pay for roads. The tax paid on people's cars will be used on the roads they drive on. It's a fairer tax system for motorists.""

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Next time, tell Dibble to do one.

Or, rather, explain that you are fully in compliance with legislation, and if he/she has reason to believe otherwise then to declare the basis for his/her suspicions.

125cc without L-Plate is enough suspicions based on how many are being used without plates at all. Or displayed correctly.

 

[Dec66]

125cc without L-Plate is enough suspicions based on how many are being used without plates at all. Or displayed correctly.

Really?

So anybody riding a motorcycle of less than 125cc is to be regarded as "suspicious", without an "L"-plate?

Isn't that a bit like saying black people are to be regarded as suspicious because a minority of black people have committed criminal acts?

Are we saying that somebody simply wishing to save money on fuel and insurance is to be treated suspiciously for doing so?

 

[Shut Up Legs]

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Thanks. You just reminded me to reinstall my Toggle Animated Gifs extension for Firefox.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Really?

So anybody riding a motorcycle of less than 125cc is to be regarded as "suspicious", without an "L"-plate?

Isn't that a bit like saying black people are to be regarded as suspicious because a minority of black people have committed criminal acts?

Are we saying that somebody simply wishing to save money on fuel and insurance is to be treated suspiciously for doing so?

When you can't identify the age, or license status of the rider at all. I think it's more than justifiable to stop a bike that is most commonly used by learners, when it is not displaying L plates.

You also wouldn't be saving money on insurance as usually 125cc cost more to insure than larger capacity bikes.

 

[Electric_Andy]

When you can't identify the age, or license status of the rider at all. I think it's more than justifiable to stop a bike that is most commonly used by learners, when it is not displaying L plates.

You also wouldn't be saving money on insurance as usually 125cc cost more to insure than larger capacity bikes.

I don't think it is justifiable unless the person is clearly young enough to need L plates. If OP looks younger than 19 and/or is riding in a way that is likely to pose a threat to the safety of himself or others, then yes, stop him. Otherwise it's not ok. There needs to be confounding factors to make it a legitimate "I've got a hunch" stop. Simply saying that most 125 riders are learners and therefore OP is a non-compliant learner is not reason enough.

Also, 125s aren't "usually more expensive" to insure. Based on experience, if you have a full license like OP does, they are either similarly priced or cheaper insurance-wise than for a larger bike of the same age and/or value.

 

[Dec66]

You also wouldn't be saving money on insurance as usually 125cc cost more to insure than larger capacity bikes.

Really? How does that work?

Are you telling me that a 50-year-old man with a clean licence for 30 years would pay more in insurance for a 125cc bike than they would for a 750cc sports bike?

And if you think it's justifiable to pull somebody up because you can't see their face, then I think I'm going to have to respectfully beg to differ, and ponder as to what bloody country I'm in. Mind you, I've done a lot of that recently.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Really? How does that work?

Are you telling me that a 50-year-old man with a clean licence for 30 years would pay more in insurance for a 125cc bike than they would for a 750cc sports bike?

And if you think it's justifiable to pull somebody up because you can't see their face, then I think I'm going to have to respectfully beg to differ, and ponder as to what bloody country I'm in. Mind you, I've done a lot of that recently.

So you would therefore agree to not checking on any bike, what license the operator holds? With multiple different options, for multiple different bikes, across multiple years. It's not simple.

You can't really ID or age check the rider without stopping them.

Same as a 50 year old man would pay more to insure a corsa that is regularly driven and crashed by 17 year olds than a big more powerful Volvo than is driven generally by more mature people and involved in less incidents.

125s are more likely to be stolen, and more likely to be involved in accidents, it makes sense to have a higher insurance cost for them.

I insured a GPZ900R for £120, to insure a 125 for pottering around town they wanted closer to £300. The situation isn't unique to me, and many other motorcycling friends have found the same with quotations.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

I don't think it is justifiable unless the person is clearly young enough to need L plates.

How do you do this without stopping the rider?