Police pulling me over.........

[Dec66]

That isn't necessarily inappropriate discrimination...

Why not?

 

[Dec66]

Because not all discrimination is inappropriate.

Righto.

Can you explain why it's not inappropriate to stop somebody on the grounds that the displacement of the cylinder(s) on their motorbike is at or below 125cc?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

How many Corsa drivers get stopped for not having L-plates?

Totally different scenario. You can't solo learn in a car.

Still, you agree with unlicensed, and uninsured drivers on the road. So long as they're careful? After all, how else do you stop them?

Young person, with mates in an extremely expensive car. What is more likely? The kid is a young millionaire, or that he's having a bit of a joy ride in his parent's car?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Righto.

Can you explain why it's not inappropriate to stop somebody on the grounds that the displacement of the cylinder(s) is at or below 125cc?

Righto.

Can you explain why it's not inappropriate to stop somebody on the grounds that the displacement of the cylinder(s) on their motorbike is at or below 125cc?

Because the vast majority are used by learner riders. Therefore, since it's not possible to identify the rider, it is reasonable to check the rider is licensed if the bike is not displaying L-Plates.

If the rider was riding a large capacity bike without L-Plates, then that is far more common and wouldn't be stopped.

I don't understand why this is a difficult concept?

 

[Dec66]

Totally different scenario. You can't solo learn in a car.

Still, you agree with unlicensed, and uninsured drivers on the road. So long as they're careful? After all, how else do you stop them?

Young person, with mates in an extremely expensive car. What is more likely? The kid is a young millionaire, or that he's having a bit of a joy ride in his parent's car?

Uninsured; there's a thing called ANPR these days, I believe.

If the young person in his parent's car is "having a joy ride", he's hardly likely to be pootling along at 28mph, is he? Especially in a Porsche?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Uninsured; there's a thing called ANPR these days, I believe.

If the young person in his parent's car is "having a joy ride", he's hardly likely to be pootling along at 28mph, is he? Especially in a Porsche?

I currently do not have a motorcycle, although I do have a license.

If I rode my friends motorcycle that is insured. ANPR would show it as being insured. But I would still be an uninsured rider.

So a young person in a Porsche shouldn't be checked if he's adhering to the road traffic regulations? Thus, so long as ANYBODY has insured the car, you are happy with any driver, using any vehicle, regardless of their license or insurance. As long as they are careful?

So far you have not once answered this final question. I believe it's because you know you aren't happy with that case, but it's contradictory to the points you are making.

 

[Dec66]

There may be a problem in that particular area with riders of that type of bike not riding in accordance with the law and the terms of their license (for example, there is a big issue in London with people riding on 'L' plates who shouldn't be and the Met have been targeting them). I have about as much of an issue with police pulling over such riders as I do with police carrying out mass random breath testing around Christmas.

The OP has been given some good advice about how he might ensure that his reg is flagged appropriately and I'm sure, being he's a sensible chap, he'll do something of that nature.

Answer the question properly, please.

How is that discrimination "not inappropriate"?

Do the police pull up all Nissan Micra and Vauxhall Corsas not bearing L-plates, too?

Or is it that some forms of discrimination are abhorrent, whereas others are fair game, according to your worldview?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Righto.

Can you explain why it's not inappropriate to stop somebody on the grounds that the displacement of the cylinder(s) on their motorbike is at or below 125cc?

No explanation will satisfy your indignation so why ask?

Odds are 125 + No L plates = something likely wrong = stop = well done plod.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Answer the question properly, please.

How is that discrimination "not inappropriate"?

Do the police pull up all Nissan Micra and Vauxhall Corsas not bearing L-plates, too?

Or is it that some forms of discrimination are abhorrent, whereas others are fair game, according to your worldview?

Corsa, showing L plate, with young driver and nobody else in the car. I would expect them to be stopped.

 

[Dec66]

I currently do not have a motorcycle, although I do have a license.

If I rode my friends motorcycle that is insured. ANPR would show it as being insured. But I would still be an uninsured rider.

So a young person in a Porsche shouldn't be checked if he's adhering to the road traffic regulations? Thus, so long as ANYBODY has insured the car, you are happy with any driver, using any vehicle, regardless of their license or insurance. As long as they are careful?

So far you have not once answered this final question. I believe it's because you know you aren't happy with that case, but it's contradictory to the points you are making.

In the situation you outline; why is the young person being pulled?

Because the officer believes he's uninsured? Or because he believes that the driver could not have acquired such wealth while young?

Let's swap "young" for "black" in those sentences..?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Answer the question properly, please.

How is that discrimination "not inappropriate"?

Do the police pull up all Nissan Micra and Vauxhall Corsas not bearing L-plates, too?

Or is it that some forms of discrimination are abhorrent, whereas others are fair game, according to your worldview?

I discriminate all the time. I recognise a distinction between lager and beer and won't drink the former. I may give up my seat to an old 'un but refuse to do so for a teenager.

Et cetera.

 

[Dec66]

Corsa, showing L plate, with young driver and nobody else in the car. I would expect them to be stopped.

Yes, but that's not what I said, is it?

L -plate + unaccompanied driver = grounds for a pull.

19-y-o, in a Corsa, no L-plates? Automatic offender?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

In the situation you outline; why is the young person being pulled?

Because the officer believes he's uninsured? Or because he believes that the driver could not have acquired such wealth while young?

Let's swap "young" for "black" in those sentences..?

Young and black aren't interchangeable in that scenario though. As skin colour isn't really relevant to this discussion.

How many 17 year olds have the cash to buy and insure a Porsche? Seeing one driving it would arouse suspicion. Is it insured? Is it their parents car? Is it stolen? Are they super rich?

Please answer the question. Do you believe that NOBODY should be stopped if they are following road traffic laws?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Yes, but that's not what I said, is it?

L -plate + unaccompanied driver = grounds for a pull.

19-y-o, in a Corsa, no L-plates? Automatic offender?

The scenario isn't all comparable to riding a 125 without L-plates. Most 125 riders are learners, since the law allows solo riding.

 

[Dec66]

No explanation will satisfy your indignation so why ask?

Odds are 125 + No L plates = something likely wrong = stop = well done plod.

Tell that to the OP.

How is "125 + No L plates = something likely wrong"?

Do you have some statistics to back up your assertion, perhaps?