Policewoman 'flouted bike rules'

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summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
philr said:
exactly, just ask recent victims of crime what they would prefer, catch the buggers with a load of swag in there rucksacks, or bow to public pressure and drive around in very loud diesel astras during the night that can be heard approaching from over a mile away in the still of the night.

most councils and action groups are responsible for cycle operations anyway the police are just the ones who have to do the dirty deed, thats why no one likes a copper

I have to admit that when I was having a persistant problem in the middle of the night... although the police were very helpful they did tend to arrive with engine on loud and occasionally lights flashing.... the guy would disappear every time given this advance notice. So personally I think that they do need to lurk occasionally.
 

Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
The original thread was about a police woman cycling with no lights. Now if this was after ark and on a public road, then she should have some form of punishment. Now if that is a £30 ticket then so be it.
However, as usual this degenerates into a "one rule for them another for the rest of us" debate.
The bottom line is simple the police are quite simply in a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation. What ever me or my colleagues do, will be wrong for someone" If I ride where Joe public can't, I shouldn't. If I could have been in that exact same space and would have caught some miscreant then it's "Why weren't you?"
There are some things a police officer should not be able to get away with whatever the reason, however Iwould urge everyone to get behind thier local officers and support them. You get better results from encouragement than you ever will from wingeing and complaing about pettiness!
 

col

Legendary Member
Vikeonabike said:
The original thread was about a police woman cycling with no lights. Now if this was after ark and on a public road, then she should have some form of punishment. Now if that is a £30 ticket then so be it.
However, as usual this degenerates into a "one rule for them another for the rest of us" debate.
The bottom line is simple the police are quite simply in a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation. What ever me or my colleagues do, will be wrong for someone" If I ride where Joe public can't, I shouldn't. If I could have been in that exact same space and would have caught some miscreant then it's "Why weren't you?"
There are some things a police officer should not be able to get away with whatever the reason, however Iwould urge everyone to get behind thier local officers and support them. You get better results from encouragement than you ever will from wingeing and complaing about pettiness!


Agree here,iv had my run ins with a minority of police being shall we say unproffessional,but i will back them in their jobs doing what ever they have to,to get the job done.
I dunno what next? Complaints about fire engines on double yellows while putting a fire out?:cursing:
 

Maz

Guru
I would like to ask the coppers on this forum about my hi-viz vest which has the word P-O-L-I-T-E printed on the back. Would you or your colleagues ever caution me for wearing it whilst cycling?
 

Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
Not me,
If somebody is not paying enough attention that they think, or are confused into thinking that "POLITE" reads "POLICE" they should not be on the road.....If I did more mileage off duty i would have one!
 

Maz

Guru
Vikeonabike said:
Not me,
If somebody is not paying enough attention that they think, or are confused into thinking that "POLITE" reads "POLICE" they should not be on the road.....If I did more mileage off duty i would have one!
That's sort of reassuring, except for the "Not me" bit, implication being that someone else might?
 

Cab

New Member
Location
Cambridge
The general standard of cycling among Cambridge police is pretty low.

Generally they're hugging the gutter or, at least, not even in a good secondary position. Most of them are very slow, tentative, timid even on the road. They're not trained to behave like good cyclists, and the biggest surprise for me with this story is not that the police officer had no lights, but that she was out on the bicycle after dark.

And I'm afraid that attitude carries over to how cycling is policed in Cambridge. Fair enough, get caught out without lights, you should be stopped and advised or fined. But staking a street out for days on end and stopping cyclists? The expense of doing so is not justified based on the benefit it can bring. To see Plod stop a cyclist at a junction for having no lights while allowing cars to go through the red light... I dunno, seems to me that the cyclist cops it for being an easier target.

Then theres are narrow sections of path between two cyclable roads/cycle paths, which many cyclists tentatively and safely ride over. Fine, technically illegal, but there was a police officer (two much of the time) stationed every day on one section (next to the Town Hall, Market Square) for days earlier in the year; it didn't do any good, it didn't make things safer.

Go to Cambridge plod with video footage and eyewitness accounts of dangerous driving and they do nothing. Literally, they'll say 'oh well the CPS don't care about these things, theres nothing we can do' and thats it.

The reality is that Cambridge Constabulary see cycling as a means of getting good publicity; 'look how many cyclists we've stopped riding irresponsibly', 'look at out PCSOs riding around'... But when it comes down to it I have seen no evidence of them being in any way skilled in cycle safety, or at any time able to give cycling offenses the kind of priority that is important.
 

Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
Cab said:
The general standard of cycling among Cambridge police is pretty low.

Generally they're hugging the gutter or, at least, not even in a good secondary position. Most of them are very slow, tentative, timid even on the road. They're not trained to behave like good cyclists, and the biggest surprise for me with this story is not that the police officer had no lights, but that she was out on the bicycle after dark.

And I'm afraid that attitude carries over to how cycling is policed in Cambridge. Fair enough, get caught out without lights, you should be stopped and advised or fined. But staking a street out for days on end and stopping cyclists? The expense of doing so is not justified based on the benefit it can bring. To see Plod stop a cyclist at a junction for having no lights while allowing cars to go through the red light... I dunno, seems to me that the cyclist cops it for being an easier target.

Then theres are narrow sections of path between two cyclable roads/cycle paths, which many cyclists tentatively and safely ride over. Fine, technically illegal, but there was a police officer (two much of the time) stationed every day on one section (next to the Town Hall, Market Square) for days earlier in the year; it didn't do any good, it didn't make things safer.

Go to Cambridge plod with video footage and eyewitness accounts of dangerous driving and they do nothing. Literally, they'll say 'oh well the CPS don't care about these things, theres nothing we can do' and thats it.

The reality is that Cambridge Constabulary see cycling as a means of getting good publicity; 'look how many cyclists we've stopped riding irresponsibly', 'look at out PCSOs riding around'... But when it comes down to it I have seen no evidence of them being in any way skilled in cycle safety, or at any time able to give cycling offenses the kind of priority that is important.


The problem here is that like a number of constabularies, officers and PCSO's are give a bike (usually a pool bike) and told to go out and ride. Currently the there is no training for officers using bikes, however I believe that is in hand and all officers should be oput through the bikeability course at some point in the near future. There are also a number of people working with Public Safety Cycling to develop a more robust form of training, which not only covers scyling on roads but bike handling in all sorts of conditions and over obstacles but develops deeper understanding of cycle related law. This training also develops the cycle as a self defence tool (which is something all cyclist should learn) and as a tool for Public Order Situations. This course is also being supported by The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO).

In my humble opinion the only way any constabulary is going to get the most out of cycling is to train it's staff, which will improve thier confidence and lead them to consider themselves as cyclists. The public will then have a more approachable, knowledgeable and conscientious (as far as cycling related incidents go) officer.

In defence of Plod stopping a cyclist at a junction and then a motorist going through a red light. The officer can only deal with one thing at a time. He/she may have taken the index of that vehicle as they passed and report them later. Similar things have happened to me several times and there is not much you can do about it to be honest!
 

Cab

New Member
Location
Cambridge
Vikeonabike said:
The problem here is that like a number of constabularies, officers and PCSO's are give a bike (usually a pool bike) and told to go out and ride. Currently the there is no training for officers using bikes, however I believe that is in hand and all officers should be oput through the bikeability course at some point in the near future. There are also a number of people working with Public Safety Cycling to develop a more robust form of training, which not only covers scyling on roads but bike handling in all sorts of conditions and over obstacles but develops deeper understanding of cycle related law. This training also develops the cycle as a self defence tool (which is something all cyclist should learn) and as a tool for Public Order Situations. This course is also being supported by The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO).

In my humble opinion the only way any constabulary is going to get the most out of cycling is to train it's staff, which will improve thier confidence and lead them to consider themselves as cyclists. The public will then have a more approachable, knowledgeable and conscientious (as far as cycling related incidents go) officer.

We've had bobbies cycling around Cambridge for a heck of a long time, with no evidence of them getting any better. While I accept that training them correctly would be a great idea, I see no sign of it. And to be honest, the attitude of plod here towards cyclists... I dunno, why would they train their own to be 'good' cyclists when they treat cyclists so shoddily at the best of times?

In defence of Plod stopping a cyclist at a junction and then a motorist going through a red light. The officer can only deal with one thing at a time. He/she may have taken the index of that vehicle as they passed and report them later. Similar things have happened to me several times and there is not much you can do about it to be honest!

Theres plenty can be done about it. We regularly see two to four police officers in the city centre, leaping out on cyclists for small technical infringements (no lights on as street lights are coming on, crossing narrow sections of pavement between two places they're allowed to ride, etc.) While I guess that in itself is fair enough (but awfully picky), said officers clearly allow far more dangerous breaches from motor vehicles to go unchecked.

Surely the answer would be to treat such infringements according to the risk they represent to others, rather than according to how easy they are to catch.
 
+1 to everything Cab says.

People drive through red lights in their cars in front of the police, and use their mobiles at the wheel in front of the police, because they know the police won't do anything about it. And try to report a stolen bike....well they might write it down I suppose. They MIGHT.
 

Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
Morrisette said:
+1 to everything Cab says.

People drive through red lights in their cars in front of the police, and use their mobiles at the wheel in front of the police, because they know the police won't do anything about it. .

They do it becuase they are so engrossed in what they are doing they don't see the police car/bike/officer stood there!
 
Maz said:
I would like to ask the coppers on this forum about my hi-viz vest which has the word P-O-L-I-T-E printed on the back. Would you or your colleagues ever caution me for wearing it whilst cycling?


Maz if you ever get pulled for it, ask what for. If they say "impersonating a police officer", say you'll happily take the charge, but only if they start handing out charges for "impersonating drivers" to some of the cagers!!
 

Maz

Guru
Eat MY Dust said:
Maz if you ever get pulled for it, ask what for. If they say "impersonating a police officer", say you'll happily take the charge, but only if they start handing out charges for "impersonating drivers" to some of the cagers!!
I'll try that if/when I get stopped. Always good to have a witty retort at the ready!
 
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