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slowmotion

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Even as a cyclist and one who has absolutely no interest at all in fast cars, I really don't seem to be able to share the ever so faint sense of satisfaction that some people seem to have that two people died a horrendous death in an expensive car while driving stupidly.

I really don't mind people doing stupid things. Life would be a bit boring without it, wouldn't it?

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Tin Pot

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Very true. But you are then in to "gun lobby" territory in punishing all legitimate and careful gun users for the antics of a few nutters.
Society in the UK is quite happy to stop a million people owning a gun if it stops one nut case getting hold of a gun and blowing a room full of kids away. Society in the US seems to opt to let the million have a gun each and accept the odd massacre.
You have to jump one way or the other - you seem to have jumped to the side accepting the massacre.

I agree the prats will still be there but over time the culture of cars would change and their outlook would change.

Which is based on the absolute fantasy that giving a nutter a fiesta instead of a Porsche will stop them killing someone.

It's fantasy.
 

SD1

Guest
He was born in America, he died in America, what do you expect, they are like teenagers, they never take responsibility for anything & it's always somebody elses fault
No its not the other peoples fault, nor do they believe that. It's the other people financial fault.
Give me the money honey.
 
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SD1

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There is no place in our society for super light carbon racing bikes, with skinny tyres that can do 60mph down a steep mountain road with just a crash helmet for protection.:okay:
Which if they crash will result in the cyclist 99.9% of the time dieing wherever he hits a car or not.
 

SD1

Guest
Not as bad as you'd think. A long drive with a light touch on the loud pedal and you can easily hit the low 30s for mpg. It's the base Cayman, not a 911 turbo! My 1.2 Petrol qashqai will just about scrape 40+ for similar journeys.
What is the point of owning it if you are going to drive it like an old biddy with dementia??
 
Which is based on the absolute fantasy that giving a nutter a fiesta instead of a Porsche will stop them killing someone.

It's fantasy.

I am not sure you are worth the effort but sorry it is not fantasy.

The fact that the car can do 70 tops instead of 140 is not really the issue. Everyone else on here sees this but it passes you by.

What we have is a number of things - cars that do 140, lax speed control on our roads, cars sold as "sport" models with all sorts of racing attributes, cars that generally go much faster than we can safely use them at on our roads, sold to use on our roads. a general mood of our roads being somewhere that you can act out or buy into the world of motor sport.
People buy into this world and act accordingly in it. This is deemed acceptable up to a point.

Changing just one aspect will not make much difference. It all needs to change. But if the whole attitude to driving was changed then the way many people drive on the roads will also change.

Is it a fantasy? Well no, there are lots of examples of how we can change the attitude to something. 50 years ago drink-driving was widely accepted and practiced. The attitude to it changed and it became unacceptable. Laws came in to back up this change.
Bull bars were suddenly frowned upon and most drivers took them off.
Before seatbelts were made compulsory they were mostly ignored but now although law there is almost no objection to them.
Cycle Helmets are mostly now accepted even without legal enforcement.
Smoking has gone from the done thing to be fashionable to mostly the pursuit of seedy old men.

So with a bit of a nudge, the attitude towards driving can change to remove the association with motorsport from driving on the public road. Yes it is a bit change but it certainly can be done. You can change the nutter as well as the car he drives and yes- the change may then mean he will not kill someone.
 

Tin Pot

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I am not sure you are worth the effort but sorry it is not fantasy.

The fact that the car can do 70 tops instead of 140 is not really the issue. Everyone else on here sees this but it passes you by.

What we have is a number of things - cars that do 140, lax speed control on our roads, cars sold as "sport" models with all sorts of racing attributes, cars that generally go much faster than we can safely use them at on our roads, sold to use on our roads. a general mood of our roads being somewhere that you can act out or buy into the world of motor sport.
People buy into this world and act accordingly in it. This is deemed acceptable up to a point.

Changing just one aspect will not make much difference. It all needs to change. But if the whole attitude to driving was changed then the way many people drive on the roads will also change.

Is it a fantasy? Well no, there are lots of examples of how we can change the attitude to something. 50 years ago drink-driving was widely accepted and practiced. The attitude to it changed and it became unacceptable. Laws came in to back up this change.
Bull bars were suddenly frowned upon and most drivers took them off.
Before seatbelts were made compulsory they were mostly ignored but now although law there is almost no objection to them.
Cycle Helmets are mostly now accepted even without legal enforcement.
Smoking has gone from the done thing to be fashionable to mostly the pursuit of seedy old men.

So with a bit of a nudge, the attitude towards driving can change to remove the association with motorsport from driving on the public road. Yes it is a bit change but it certainly can be done. You can change the nutter as well as the car he drives and yes- the change may then mean he will not kill someone.

Precisely - a fantasy.
 

screenman

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Is a car that does 70 unsafe to use on a 30mph road?
 

Levo-Lon

Guru
Leaving the nhs rehabilitation unit where father in law is staying in Bletchley today,we saw a lovely new ish porsche carrera with a little grey haired old lady driving it..she pootled out of the car park and pootled up the road..then reached 58mph in the 60 limit..heart warming..
 
Precisely - a fantasy.

Clearly it is a set of future events so is not a fact. OK so you think it cannot happen. I think it can.

I cannot of course prove anything but I have given a number of examples of similar huge changes in public attitude that show that it is very achievable. You on the other hand can offer nothing to back up your assumption of it being fantasy. You have nothing.

But then I guess there were similarly negative people who thought the ban on smoking would not happen. The changing world must be a constant shock for you.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
No, because it isn't the car, it's the driver. Unfortunately, decades of experience tell us that removing the driver isn't working so the obvious thing to do is to remove the tool.

So, explain again why insurance is more for high performance cars?

I should add, that I own a very high performance motorcycle, and I'm sure insurance is rather more than it would be for a Honda 90 - I suspect the extra risk may have something to do with it, even though I ride fairly sensibly as best I can.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
The car is the tool via which the tool expresses their stupidity..

Well yes, but how does that make high performance the same risk as low performance cars - despite insurance companies, and pretty much everyone else think different?
 

400bhp

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Well yes, but how does that make high performance the same risk as low performance cars - despite insurance companies, and pretty much everyone else think different?

The speed a car is driven is a risk factor in insurance.

The rating factor for that risk is (partially) based upon the performance of the vehicle.
 
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