Porsche should be selling bumper cars

[Over The Hill]

Yes, quite happy thank you.

The lack of Porsches on the road will not decrease nutterishness. I would accept that with no cars at all available to nutters, road deaths would decrease.

I am genuinely shocked at your blatant acceptance of the carnage on our roads.
I have already visited the issue and explained that a change in culture will decrease speeding. If you have a counter view as you seem to then please join the debate by actually forming an argument as to why you think I am wrong.

 

[Tin Pot]

I am genuinely shocked at your blatant acceptance of the carnage on our roads.
I have already visited the issue and explained that a change in culture will decrease speeding. If you have a counter view as you seem to then please join the debate by actually forming an argument as to why you think I am wrong.

You have put forward your opinion and I have disagreed at virtually every step of the way.

I have pointed out the flaws in your logic every time, you don't have a valid logical argument for me to contest.

The only point we agree on is that there should be fewer road related deaths.

My position is that you need fewer cars altogether, fewer young people and fewer old people. I believe my argument to be stronger than yours because they are based on facts, and not inferences.

That's "how we roll" in the land of logical debate.

You carry on hunting, Ahab, I'm busy looking for actual solutions to real problems.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Yes.
Otherwise the insurance would be cheaper.

No it wouldn't, are you saying that a hypothetical 600cc car built by Kia driven by a 40 year old man will cost EXACTLY the same as a hypothetical 600cc car built by Porsche, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce driven by the same 40 year old man?

 

[donnydave]

ahem... my nissan stagea (skyline estate) costs £500 a year to insure. My AC cobra kit car is considerably faster and costs £300 to insure, its also worth a lot more. Speed of car is not the main thing that determines cost of insurance.

 

[Markymark]

My BMW is faster, has a bigger engine and is less to insure than my Audi which is used to ferry around the kids.
The age and value of the car appears to have a bigger impact on the insurance.

ahem... my nissan stagea (skyline estate) costs £500 a year to insure. My AC cobra kit car is considerably faster and costs £300 to insure, its also worth a lot more. Speed of car is not the main thing that determines cost of insurance.

 

[Milkfloat]

Yes.


Otherwise the insurance would be cheaper.

However to be more accurate it is the cars that people drive faster rather than faster cars.

That is a rather large leap to make. A faster car could be a higher insurance group because it is more costly to repair or replace. I don't think we can state it is because it is faster. Indeed my significantly fastest car is cheaper to insure than my other two cars. All with similar mileage restrictions.

 

[donnydave]

[QUOTE 4034588, member: 45"]What mileage are they insured for?[/QUOTE]

aha! an excellent question. The cobra is on a 3000 mile policy, the stagea is unlimited. My apologies but I forget which side of the debate you are on as to whether this is good or bad.

I've had a variety of cars throughout my driving career, old slow cars when I was younger, moving on to old fast cars, medium aged fairly fast cars and now very fast new(ish) cars and my annual insurance cost has has always been roughly the same. Through the various fancy classic car owners clubs that I know of through friends, lots of ridiculously fast/valuable cars in the right hands have surprisingly low premiums, the logic being that its worth a shedload so you're not going to drive like a mentalist. The biggest risk is from other road users which is where the limited mileage policies are one of the greater cost drivers for insurance.

 

[Markymark]

Mod edit. Post removed.

Care to offer a source or evidence for that rather bold claim?

Ps I dont mean it, he's lovely!!

 

[Markymark]

Who is lovely? Me or Reg or neither of us?

Only one of you.

 

[Markymark]

Is this a "there's only one way to find out" moment?

No, it's everyone's individual opinion

 

[Rickshaw Phil]

Mod note:

Keep it nice people and remember that this part of the site is open to all.

 

[Over The Hill]

No it wouldn't, are you saying that a hypothetical 600cc car built by Kia driven by a 40 year old man will cost EXACTLY the same as a hypothetical 600cc car built by Porsche, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce driven by the same 40 year old man?

No!
You are getting a bit hung up on the shorthand labels being used here.
The point is that person A buys a "fast" car that is sporty, aggressive in appearance and full of features copied from racing cars. He will be more likely to drive it fast and have more accidents.
Person B buys an "alternative" car. Now it could be aimed at being green, be a hippy car, be a cool crusing car, very comfortable, cheap, classic or any number of other types of car. This person is less likely to drive fast and so will have fewer accidents.

Now there are lots of posts showing us a classic car, a fast car that is safe, a slow car that is driven fast etc so it is difficult to pin things down to one example in each group.
The car person A buys feeds his speeding behaviour. The car person B buys feeds his safer style of driving. Now quite rightly if you put person A in person Bs car he will possibly still drive like a nutter. But over time the mindset of person B and the car choice of person B will take over and we will have fewer nutter drivers on the road.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

No!
The point is that person A buys a "fast" car that is sporty, aggressive in appearance and full of features copied from racing cars. He will be more likely to drive it fast and have more accidents.
Person B buys an "alternative" car. Now it could be aimed at being green, be a hippy car, be a cool crusing car, very comfortable, cheap, classic or any number of other types of car. This person is less likely to drive fast and so will have fewer accidents.

Yet my "Sport" Type S civic, is cheaper to insure than a bog standard Toyota Auris.

 

[Over The Hill]

Yet my "Sport" Type S civic, is cheaper to insure than a bog standard Toyota Auris.

Sporty Honda Civic -hmmm !!

 

[Milkfloat]

No!
You are getting a bit hung up on the shorthand labels being used here.
The point is that person A buys a "fast" car that is sporty, aggressive in appearance and full of features copied from racing cars. He will be more likely to drive it fast and have more accidents.
Person B buys an "alternative" car. Now it could be aimed at being green, be a hippy car, be a cool cruising car, very comfortable, cheap, classic or any number of other types of car. This person is less likely to drive fast and so will have fewer accidents.

You keep quoting this - but do you actually have the evidence?