Preparing to Retire

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PaulSB

PaulSB

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@PaulSB

Yes, of course you can make savings like that and why not. You can also make savings by shopping around on utility bills, insurances etc. Ditto you can also ensure that whatever savings you have work as hard as they can for you.

I've no idea of your financial position but my best advice would be to map out your cash flow for a decade or two ahead based on likely expenditures, known income streams, savings returns etc and you may get a surprisingly optimistic forecast.

We have a beautiful & decent sized house (paid for), have a really nice lifestyle that suits us (we're outdoorsy types), eat well, can afford to drink whenever we feel like it, the house is always warm and toasty (oil/coal/logs) and run a nice new car (small) all for a relatively small amount of money.

The 'background' cost of this inc' all utilities, food/drink, council tax, insurance blah, blah, blah is £12.5k pa for the two of us.

Holidays (If we fancy them), capital expenditure such as repairs on the house or a new car and stuff like that are not included in that number.

We never set out to keep the figure that low that's just how it pans out - surprised us really. We have no requirement to keep the number low (we have plenty of savings, pensions and a few other income streams at the moment) so don't srimp and scrape to achieve it. It's easily do-able unless you are trying to get by on a State Pension and no savings I guess. :sad:

I'm really pleased I asked these questions as there have been lots of very interesting remarks.This post reflects us in many ways and I'm surprised by the figure of £12.5k pa. My calculations have been coming out in this region and TBH I thought I was overly optimistic and must be missing things. We are fortunate to have my wife's NHS pension (not huge as she took a lot of time for the family at one point), my private pension plus the state pensions in 4 years time. We have spent the last three years fixing everything in the house that could foreseably go wrong in the next 10-15 years - roof, boiler, windows etc. and have the back porch to do this summer - helps reduce draughts and keep heat in - and the backyard so we don't trip and break a hip.

The food savings I exampled tempt me because I love cooking, and not just carrot soup(!), and want to learn more and more. I'm not mean but do like to live as well as possible for as little as possible as that actually improves one's quality of life by making more cash available for pleasure. Another interesting area is looking at all the small things one spends money on and questioning their need.

I have already looked 4 years ahead and reached the conclusion at 65 things should be fine but must admit had though to look 10-20 years in the future. I've rather taken the view the next 10-12 years are VERY important and to look at the rest when I hit 73!!
 

SpokeyDokey

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I'm really pleased I asked these questions as there have been lots of very interesting remarks.This post reflects us in many ways and I'm surprised by the figure of £12.5k pa. My calculations have been coming out in this region and TBH I thought I was overly optimistic and must be missing things. We are fortunate to have my wife's NHS pension (not huge as she took a lot of time for the family at one point), my private pension plus the state pensions in 4 years time. We have spent the last three years fixing everything in the house that could foreseably go wrong in the next 10-15 years - roof, boiler, windows etc. and have the back porch to do this summer - helps reduce draughts and keep heat in - and the backyard so we don't trip and break a hip.

The food savings I exampled tempt me because I love cooking, and not just carrot soup(!), and want to learn more and more. I'm not mean but do like to live as well as possible for as little as possible as that actually improves one's quality of life by making more cash available for pleasure. Another interesting area is looking at all the small things one spends money on and questioning their need.

I have already looked 4 years ahead and reached the conclusion at 65 things should be fine but must admit had though to look 10-20 years in the future. I've rather taken the view the next 10-12 years are VERY important and to look at the rest when I hit 73!!

@PaulSB

We (Lovely Wife & myself) were more than surprised with the figures when we did them at the turn of the century.

We were coming from a slightly different angle than you in as much as we were switching off very well paid careers at the youngish ages of 48 (me) and 41 for the lady in question.

I ran the figures over and over and like you thought I was missing something but lo and behold the projections have proven to be incredibly accurate bearing in mind fluctuations in savings interest rates and stock performances post 2008.

I'm 60 this year and have run our projections out until my 80th birthday simply because my wife is younger than me and likely to have some years beyond mine and I wanted to be 100% sure that she would be ok no matter what. It gives me great peace of mind to know that she will.

We have a lot of money squirreled away and with our various incomes still accrue a lot of money each year and this remains a constant ad-infinitum ie we can't spend what comes in - having done the projections this enables us to help the kids, grandchildren and charitable causes in a far more planned way than we used to and in the knowledge that we can afford to without putting our own lifestyles at risk.

I found it a really worthwhile exercise and it only took a days work to decide all the variables and construct a suitable Excel to map it out on.
 

slowwww

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Maybe I'm being naive, but I just think 'I'll cope', I'll wing it'.

a lump sum to draw on as needed

Did you see the Sunday Times article yesterday suggesting that the 'tax-free' 25% lump sum from Pension pots on retirement is to be removed? That's certainly made me wait before committing to do anything re early retirement!
 
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Yes, of course you can make savings like that and why not. You can also make savings by shopping around on utility bills, insurances etc. Ditto you can also ensure that whatever savings you have work as hard as they can for you.

I've no idea of your financial position but my best advice would be to map out your cash flow for a decade or two ahead based on likely expenditures, known income streams, savings returns etc and you may get a surprisingly optimistic forecast.

We have a beautiful & decent sized house (paid for), have a really nice lifestyle that suits us (we're outdoorsy types), eat well, can afford to drink whenever we feel like it, the house is always warm and toasty (oil/coal/logs) and run a nice new car (small) all for a relatively small amount of money.

The 'background' cost of this inc' all utilities, food/drink, council tax, insurance blah, blah, blah is £12.5k pa for the two of us.

Holidays (If we fancy them), capital expenditure such as repairs on the house or a new car and stuff like that are not included in that number.

We never set out to keep the figure that low that's just how it pans out - surprised us really. We have no requirement to keep the number low (we have plenty of savings, pensions and a few other income streams at the moment) so don't srimp and scrape to achieve it. It's easily do-able unless you are trying to get by on a State Pension and no savings I guess. :sad:


The figure of £12.5k is about what I was taking home in my last job, I found we could manage quite nicely on that. Once these little scrag ends of pensions that never amounted to much have finished I will be on state pension with very little savings so I recon there will be some belt tightening going on.
 
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Did you see the Sunday Times article yesterday suggesting that the 'tax-free' 25% lump sum from Pension pots on retirement is to be removed? That's certainly made me wait before committing to do anything re early retirement!

I just read the online article and apart from "outline in budget" there doesn't seem to be a date.

If this happened it would blow everything I've planned out of the water!!!
 

iandg

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My understanding is that it relates to money you can draw from your pension when you reach 55 and not the lump sum you draw on when you retire.

edit: I reach 55 in 2 weeks time and I've had a number of mailings telling me I can draw upto 25% of my projected lump sum out now tax free. Alternatively I can leave it there and draw on it when I retire and pay tax on it.

It is the former scenario that Osbourne wants to stop as the government loses income.
 

iandg

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"The current perk allows people to access 25pc of their pension pots tax-free in a single lump sum when they reach 55."

You pay tax on your lump sum when you retire - If you take 25% out tax free when you reach 55 the government loses income from the tax on that 25% - they wont lose income if they stop you taking it out at 55 and you have to wait until you retire.

edit: If you have a lump sum of £50K, you can take out £12.5K tax free when you reach 55. You take out the other £37.5K when you retire and pay tax on it. This 'perk' will be taken away, not the lump sum. You will have to wait until you retire before you can draw on the £50K and you'll be taxed on the whole lot.

https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-pension/getting-taxfree-pension-income

(I could of course be completely wrong, I'm a scientist not a financial wizzard)
 
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