Question to people who cycle for fitness

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Citius

Guest
Joining in with your defining spirit, define:

In other words, differences that the majority would not notice, or experience in any meaningful sense. I would be surprised if a 2kg weight penalty would make any difference at all in the real world. A couple of 750ml bottles and a tool kit?
 

Reefcat

Active Member
Location
Lagos, Portugal
When I'm not competing, all my major segments are between coffee & cake shops. A lighter bike allows me to pass & sometimes stop for a cake recharge. There should be a strava like app that allows you to calculate the net fitness benefit of distance versus cake consumption. I could take the heavier bike out but eat less cake, or squeeze out a number two & take the light bike in order go further & eat more cake.

It gets a bit complex because not all cake is equal, temperature, humidity even air pressure can affect the results. In fact when trying to accurately assess the pros & cons of bike weight vs cake it gets a bit quantum.
 

Venod

Eh up
Location
Yorkshire
Go out with a group @ 20mph on your best bike everybody working to keep a nice even pace, next time same group same pace but heavier bike, bigger tyres, you will have to work a bit harder to keep up, this will increase your fitness if done correctly.
 

Citius

Guest
Go out with a group @ 20mph on your best bike everybody working to keep a nice even pace, next time same group same pace but heavier bike, bigger tyres, you will have to work a bit harder to keep up, this will increase your fitness if done correctly.

Working harder regularly will always increase your fitness. You would need to be on an MTB in a road group for this to have any meaningful benefit. It does work, but the difference is working harder, not riding a heavier bike. You can work harder on any bike if you choose to.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
In other words, differences that the majority would not notice, or experience in any meaningful sense. I would be surprised if a 2kg weight penalty would make any difference at all in the real world. A couple of 750ml bottles and a tool kit?
The design of the bike - your body position - is probably more significant than its weight, if it's windy.

(Unscientific anecdote coming up) My heavy old steel bike and my Brompton are probably similar weights. They are ridden in very different circumstances (short commute vs long recreation), so I can't really compare my speeds on them but one very obvious difference is that on a windy day a strong gust can almost bring me to a standstill given my very upright position on the Brommie, whereas it would just find it very annoying riding in the drops on the other bike..

The tyres also may be pretty important too. But I won't pollute the thread with more rubbishy anecdata about Marathon Plus vs Durano Plus ... but you can guess what I'm about to say.
 

Venod

Eh up
Location
Yorkshire
You can work harder on any bike if you choose to.

Agreed, but if you work harder with the bike you normaly use with the group, you will be leaving them, if you have a heavier bike, doesn't have to be a MTB you will have to work harder to keep up. might not make much difference on the flat but hit a few hills and it becomes harder.
 

tyred

Squire
Location
Ireland
Just ride the damn bike, have fun and stop obsessing over trifles.
 

Tin Pot

Guru
I see quite a few of these people on weekend mornings. I do wonder, if they're cycling for fitness, why don't they use heavier, less top-of-the-range aerodynamic bikes? By riding a bike which is requires more energy input to maintain speed, would you not get more out of your exercise for the same amount of time?

This also applies to lycras as well. Wearing normal t-shirt and shorts would be less aerodynamic, but it would surely force you to increase your energy output. I'm think of taking up cycling as an regular exercise, and I wonder whether I would be wiser to use my commuter bike which is on the heavier side at 14kg instead of selling it and investing in a proper sporty road bike.

Man, you got beaten up here didn't you? :smile:

I do, and started on a 16Kg Trax TFS.1 full suspension (if you can call it that) mountain bike and yes, Biggin Hill is a different story on a 9kg road bike :smile:

Cargo shorts are OK for a 30min blast around the woods, but you'll hurt yourself on a 3hr road ride. Appropriate bike wear for the ride is the mantra.

My buddy asked me the same question; surely Id get fitter heaving The Tank up and down the hill?

Well going uphill it is harder work, but you have to think about the whole ride, and the total rider+kit weight, and soon a few kilos here and there aren't such a big deal. Being heavier I come downhill a bit faster, but on the flat once you're rolling, it's really neither here nor there.

Then you have to understand exercise, particularly endurance fitness over strength and sprint speed. The short story is that you need to exercise in such a way that your heart is under a relatively low stress over a long period of time - usually referred to as Zone 2 training. Huffing and puffing red faced is Zone 5 and is of little use long term.

Now you could do either of these on any bike if you pick the right terrain and speed...so it should be clear to you now why he heavy bike doesn't make you fitter quicker.

The last part of the question is, why get the lighter bike? Well, the answer should be "Don't." BUT. If you feel like a nicer, better looking, better handling bike and/or with more durable components and reliable shifting and braking, that is set up for leisure rather than loaded down for commuting...then get one :biggrin:
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Cargo shorts are OK for a 30min blast around the woods, but you'll hurt yourself on a 3hr road ride. Appropriate bike wear for the ride is the mantra.
:headshake: I'm assured that there are some comfortable cargo shorts around. Appropriate clothing for the ride is the mantra... some bike wear is spectactularly unsuitable and may well be regarded in future much as we regard tweed rides now. Heh, I wonder when "Lycra Rides" will become a historical event :laugh:

nicer, better looking, better handling bike and/or with more durable components and reliable shifting and braking
I'm with you on some of it but :roflmao: at the "more durable" and 35mm-pad caliper brakes come as a nasty surprise to people who are used to 70mm-pad V brakes or hub braking! :eek:
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
you need to exercise in such a way that your heart is under a relatively low stress over a long period of time - usually referred to as Zone 2 training. Huffing and puffing red faced is Zone 5 and is of little use long term.

'Fraid whilst I agree in part with the first element of the quote above, I can't agree with the second sentence. You need to exercise at multiple levels of effort for optimal training effect (and rest in between). Going very hard (eg your 'Zone 5') for intervals should be an element of one's rides if long term fitness is a goal, and the same goes for longer rides in Zone 2 - the former pushes across to the strength aspect (ie getting up the hills). Thankfully, unless one lives in flat and windless lands, the Zone 2 rides will have a bit of 3 or even 4 thrown in for free. All good; and all can be done on a heavy or a light bike.
 

Tin Pot

Guru
:headshake: I'm assured that there are some comfortable cargo shorts around. Appropriate clothing for the ride is the mantra... some bike wear is spectactularly unsuitable and may well be regarded in future much as we regard tweed rides now. Heh, I wonder when "Lycra Rides" will become a historical event :laugh:


I'm with you on some of it but :roflmao: at the "more durable" and 35mm-pad caliper brakes come as a nasty surprise to people who are used to 70mm-pad V brakes or hub braking! :eek:
:laugh:

Re: durable. Compare the wheels on my BSO to my miche reflex...I took the BSO (FS MTB) back for wheel truing after three days road riding. Miche reflex, still true after two and a half years :smile:

But yes, my roadie is constantly breaking (see my many, many posts/threads on the subject!).
 
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