Ran over a Ped Today :(

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Seems to be the norm is this country.Obviously no one want's to run a ped over but they really do ask for it sometimes.

Why have we got a problem with this as a common occurance when you can cycle in other countires and it's nowhere as bad.
 

Greenbank

Über Member
Arch said:
You can get bells that are considerably more piercing than a 'gentle ding ding'. I know people with one that goes 'Ding Dong' in two tones, and rivals Big Ben.

There are plenty of people who would hear a bell (and do, and step out of the way). Just because some wouldn't doesn't mean they aren't worth having. I see a lot of drivers oblivious to emergency sirens until the last minute, does that mean emergancy sirens are pointless?

I'm not knocking bells, I'm just saying that they won't work in every case, so I don't bother with them.

I used an AirZound for a while, but they're pretty cheaply made and it broke, plus it was absolute overkill for many situations.

I now use my voice, it can go from a gentle "ding ding" or "excuse me" for someone without headphones to a full on shout for the iPod zombies.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
I think the compass bells are very good. I have one on each bike. It serves more than one purpose as well. At least you know which direction in which you are travelling when you collide with a ped or anyhting else. Police seem to like the phrase "Mr. So&so was proceeding in a westerly direction....along". Plus I think a bike is required to be fitted with a bell.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
Only at point of sale, crankarm.

At the point of sale (ie shops) bikes now have to come fitted with bells but there's no legal requirement for them to be fitted to bicycles no longer on shop display.


The Highway Code does not stipulate that bells must be used. It states: "Be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example by ringing your bell."


(From http://www.bikeforall.net/content/cycling_and_the_law.php )
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/consulpedalbicycles/pedalbicyclesfaqs

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=4073

Very informative. Bell can be dispensed with once bike has been first sold.

However Chris Juden CTC makes interesting point that as soon as sun goes down lights are required (obviously) but a bell could also be viewed as a necessary warning device under the European EN regs. See Q9 of the above first post that Government was proposing enacting into UK law the complusion for all bicycles to have bells fitted all the time not just at point of sale.
 

Greenbank

Über Member
Crankarm said:
However Chris Juden CTC makes interesting point that as soon as sun goes down lights are required (obviously) but a bell could also be viewed as a necessary warning device under the European EN regs.

No, that's not what he, or it, says.

The reflectors are a legal requirement (see Q14), but the bell is simply listed as "could be useful".

There is no law, nor a european (EN) standard, that means you must have a bell at all times.

The reference to the European (EN) standard is that it is inferior to the existing British (BS) Standard as the EN standard does not have a requirement for a bell to be fitted at point of sale.

"Q9. There are requirements that are in the BS standard that are not in the relevant EN standards."

And Q9 is just talking about point of sale, not in use all of the time.

"
With the exception of the parts of the British Standard relating to photometric safety (reflectors) and the requirements for an audible warning device (Eg: a bell) the Department would consider that the new European Standards provide a level of safety at least equivalent to the British Standard
"

The EN standard enforces fewer requirements than the current British Standard.
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
Had a collision with a ped the other day - cambridge circus just by the HSBC - bendy bus in front and a couple of vans - this guy runs out from behind the bus looking straight ahead- no mobile; no ipod- just stupidity and in a rush- typical London mentality. Came out so quickly I couldn't help but crash into him- my bike computer flew out the holder and hit the floor a few metres down a now clear road - I span onto my side and bashed my right knee - guy comes afterwards and asks if I'm alright saying the classic 'I didn't see you there '- no shoot mate! Try looking perhaps?! He was lucky bike and myself are light in general!

Funny though running over that guys toe! Hopefully he'll be more observant in the future.

Bells don't tend to work too well in London and kinda hard to access on road bikes- firstly all those noise blocking headphones which have got to be one of the most dangerous things for crossing roads! Secondly, people also generally zone out - even the whole 'hey hey watch out' is ignored at times - in their own world! Makes me wonder...
 
There is a problem in London with peds probably the general I couldn't give a toss about anyone else because im too important,there is much better behaviour in other countries.

I got left in no mans land by a bus on Waterloo Bridge today he pulled out without checking his mirror as I was watching his mirror.He eventually realised.Glad I didn't catch him,I was in a bad (tired) mood.

I half expected it anyway...oh and it was a 68 again not an 88 which I stated the other day.
 

amnezia

New Member
Been there, done that. The worst part is the strange backwards and forwards dance some people do when they see a cyclist coming down the road at them, naturally as you serve to avoid them they managed to perfectly align themselves right in front of you. Mind you the guy i hit was more worries about scratches on his precious Blackberry so it can't have hurt him that badly.
 
A bell or horn is not really a lot of good if you have very little time to react if any,as my collision just over three years ago taught me.
 
I know that part of town, it's murder for caffeine-ed and coke-ed up City boys stepping out without looking.

I perfected a high-pitched scream which I would unleash at 3 metres to impact. Usually worked.

Wouldn't do it now though, terribly anti-social.
 
Ironically with all the goings on in the city my collision was in Walthamstow.:laugh:

Wouldn't do it now though, terribly anti-social.

I found it terribly anti-social lying strewn in the road with bike,with a bus and car bearing down on me.:blush:
 
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