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ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
Nothing wrong with a sloping top tube as some old fogeys would have you believe.
*Point of order* ...

Since Rob3rt passes the 'young enough to be my son' test, I think a more accurate description would be 'some young whippersnapper', which also recognises our advanced years!
 

gavintc

Guru
Location
Southsea
When? :tongue:

(With the exception of the Giant Trinity Advanced SL)

The sloping top tube has been a feature of their bikes for some time now. My wife uses an old OCR3 as her winter/commute bike which she bought about 9 yrs ago - sloping top tube. It is a reasonable frame and I have ridden it a couple of times although she quickly changed the Sora groupset for Veloce.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
Tiagra group set? You can do better with Planet X. IMO, you are paying for a global bike name, when smaller retailers (and just as good) frames are available. Look at Dolan, Ribble or even the complete bikes sold through Wiggle.
Have a look at the Planet X Kaffenback 2. (I've just bought one). BB7 discs, Tiagra chainset, Shimano wheels £849. Oh and it's made of steel.

I don't mind sloping top tubes but I just have an instant dislike where the top tube doesn't run into the seat stays.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
Have a look at the Planet X Kaffenback 2. (I've just bought one). BB7 discs, Tiagra chainset, Shimano wheels £849. Oh and it's made of steel.

I don't mind sloping top tubes but I just have an instant dislike where the top tube doesn't run into the seat stays.
I wish I hadn't read this post, it might turn out to be expensive. That bike just ticks all the boxes for what I "need" to go touring :smile:.
 

martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I wish I hadn't read this post, it might turn out to be expensive. That bike just ticks all the boxes for what I "need" to go touring :smile:.
I'm not sure if this affects a rack but it's been pointed out to me that because the rear brake caliper is outside the rear triangle it could be fiddly to fit a mudguard. As I say, not sure if that would affect a rack or not. I use raceblades and a Carradice for commuting so to me this was the perfect bike.
 
The bike comes complete, i.e. all the components can be assumed to be compatible. As such you buy a new cassette that is compatable and it is a straight swap, I have no idea how you are introducing any complexity to this!

Not really complexity. I wouldn't run an 11 speed cassette with a 10 speed chain, just for one example. But back on topic again. Has the OP thought about a Ti framed number? Not much (if at all) heavier than Carbon, and no annoying buzz. I like Titanium bikes a lot.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
I'm not sure if this affects a rack but it's been pointed out to me that because the rear brake caliper is outside the rear triangle it could be fiddly to fit a mudguard. As I say, not sure if that would affect a rack or not. I use raceblades and a Carradice for commuting so to me this was the perfect bike.


You can get disc brake specific racks, but they stick out each side. F'ugly in other words.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
I'm not sure if this affects a rack but it's been pointed out to me that because the rear brake caliper is outside the rear triangle it could be fiddly to fit a mudguard. As I say, not sure if that would affect a rack or not. I use raceblades and a Carradice for commuting so to me this was the perfect bike.
Thanks for that. If I get more serious about it, I will have to phone them to discuss its suitability for touring kit.
 

Brandane

Legendary Member
You can get disc brake specific racks, but they stick out each side. F'ugly in other words.
My Trek MTB (with Shimano hydraulic disc brakes) takes a standard Topeak Super Tourist rack, but it does involve some bodging and the use of a half inch spacer to get it to clear the caliper.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
My Trek MTB (with Shimano hydraulic disc brakes) takes a standard Topeak Super Tourist rack, but it does involve some bodging and the use of a half inch spacer to get it to clear the caliper.


Yeah, you can get all bendy and bodgy..
It was one of the reasons I chose not to have a pannier rack on my previous commute bike (Kona Honky inc). My new commuter (Pinnacle Pyrolite) has the brakes on the inside, so have gone back to riding with a pannier.
 
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This is the bike I am after.
- I like the geometry (Especially the sloping top tube)
- I like the brakes (Yes, Disc brakes exist on road bikes, get over it)
- I think the design is the new, innovative and makes many cf 2014 machines look old school
- I like the brand, OK, so not exclusive for sure, but still quality imo.

I've seen one in the flesh, the new owner rated it!

What might be worth considering is upgrading the Tiagra Groupset for the new 105. If your LBS do a swapout, they will give you some cash for the Tiagra.
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
Not really complexity. I wouldn't run an 11 speed cassette with a 10 speed chain, just for one example. But back on topic again. Has the OP thought about a Ti framed number? Not much (if at all) heavier than Carbon, and no annoying buzz. I like Titanium bikes a lot.

The point I am making is that if the bike comes as 10 spd, all components can be assumed to be 10 spd or 10 spd compatible, as such if the OP needs a different cassette they buy a new 10 spd cassette. Straight swap.

if the bike comes as 11 spd, all components can be assumed to be 11 spd or 11 spd compatible, as such if the OP needs a different cassette they buy a new 11 spd cassette. Straight swap.

Nothing else needs to be changed. I don't understand why you are talking about 10 spd and 11 spd interchangeability here.
 

Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
The disc brakes sway these bikes for me. i'm hearing that discs are the way forward. I'm wondering if i bought a rim brakes bike would i regret it in years to come when i see loads out with "superior disc brakes"? Decisions decisions!:scratch:

My limited experience with MTB mechanical disc brakes would put my off having them again. I found two problems compared to hydraulics - 1. they rub and need fiddling with regularly. 2. they break.

What happened in my case was that the ball bearings wore out their ramps within 6 months of use. I am sure that some are better than others, but even so the fiddling with, I believe, is common to all of them.

I also have experience of broken MTB hydraulics, so nothing is perfect.

I don't know if many other road bikes come with the TRP HydRd cable brakes operating a hydraulic caliper system, apart from some of the Whyte road bikes. I am happy with mine so far. Seems like a good compromise.

However, I think I would choose rim brakes over mechanical discs. Others will hopefully disagree.
 
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