Reporting road accidents to police, consultation.

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by snorri, 31 Jan 2018.

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  1. snorri

    snorri Legendary Member

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  2. Dan B

    Dan B Señor Member

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    Without having even read it, I'm not happy about their use of the word "accident", for all the usual reasons. Try instead "collision".
     
  3. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Local force use road traffic collision having dropped road traffic accident & road traffic incident about five years ago, when vehicles are involved.
     
  4. Milkfloat

    Milkfloat Veteran

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    From the document....
    "This consultation document uses the term ‘accident’ throughout, as this is the terminology used in the Act. This should not be taken as the Government’s view of the relative merits of the terms ‘accident’, ‘collision’, ‘crash’ or any other term."
     
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  5. Milkfloat

    Milkfloat Veteran

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    In principal this is long overdue. However, I don't think it goes far enough. For example, they are suggesting that each individual police force could decide what system they implement and also build it independently from other forces. That alone will mean that it will be very difficult to get meaningful stats out of the system. In addition, why is not going further and allowing evidence to be produced at the same time as the report. They should allow photographic and video uploads plus statements to be made.
     
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  6. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    If you were assaulted, they'd want pictures of any injuries/marks.
     
  7. Shut Up Legs

    Shut Up Legs Down Under Member

    Translation:
     
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  8. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    That's all very well but "incident" could well include a breakdown, or cows on the road, so isn't informative. Likewise "collision" is hardly the right word to cover a car spinning off into a field.

    "Accident" is a perfectly good word. "who was to blame for the accident" is a common enough question as is the more loaded term "and accident waiting to happen" in decribing some particularly reckless breach of health and safety. There is no implication of no-fault in this usage
     
  9. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Why when two motor vehicles collide, is it normally referred to as an RTC?
     
  10. Shut Up Legs

    Shut Up Legs Down Under Member

    You forgot about "Oh, but it was just an accident", commonly used to avoid blame. Personally, I hate the word and think it's grossly misused.
     
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  11. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    The point being the addition of the word "just" or "a pure" to accident changes the sense. "accident' by itself doesn't convey this, and addition of "stupid", "avoidable", "senseless" convey a different meaning
    Moreover, none of the politically correct terms suggested convey the same specific meaning and are euphemisms or downright misleading
     
  12. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    Well obviously the meaning is quite clear if the accident was a collision, but if you spin a car, it's not a collision (necessarily) and if you slide off the road into a field, but it would be a bit peculiar to say a car collided with a field. Both scenarios are accidents, and both almost certainly due to very poor driving and / or crass stupidity
     
  13. Shut Up Legs

    Shut Up Legs Down Under Member

    Sorry, but I still disagree. Incompetent drivers cause these collisions, and I think using the word 'accident' for these is wrong and misleading. We'll just have to have different opinions on this, because I just don't find your argument very convincing.
     
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  14. Drago

    Drago Guru

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    I call them 'whoopsies'.

    Most these incidents occur due to the deliberate actions - or deliberate inactions - of someone, so they should be called deliberates. The only exceptions would be instances of automatism, or acts of God.
     
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  15. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    Fair enough you don't like one of the widespread meanings of accident in this context - but even if I wanted to make a change in my own language I've yet to hear a convincing alternative word which isn't clumsy or misleading, or plain silly.

    I also think that in the case of cyclists at leasts some incidents / collisions aren't actually accidents at all but are delliberate assaults or even murder. I've been driven at and someone else on this board was seriously hurt in such an incident. These are not accidents at all
     
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