Reporting scrotes on illegal ebikes

[wafter]

I strongly disagree here: they are mopeds/small motorbikes that are mostly using cycling infrastructures.
This is not legal, nor right or safe for us cyclists.
Not safe, because they ride inpredictably at high speeds.
On the other thread we would like to see more kids cycling to school on safe infrastructures, yeah, along with your breakfast just eat bloke zooming at 30mph.
Of course, nobody complains, it's only cyclists that are inconvenienced, the population must get their delivery.

I suspect there's an amount of variation depending on where you are....

Around here the delivery riders are mostly on illegally converted / equally illegal Ali Express specials , pay sod all attention to the law and ride with excess speed (within limits; maybe 25-30mph at worst). Their attitude however seems to be very much one of necessity and despite constantly drawing attention to themselves through their abysmal riding they seem to keep their heads down and get on with it. Of those I've verbally abused I've never had one escalate the confrontation.

The kids on the other hand aren't out to scrape together enough to pay for another month in a 20 bed HMO. They're out for the sake of it; on proper electric motorbikes. They're travelling at significantly higher speeds (I reckon the last lot I saw were doing 40-50mph in a 30 zone); fuelled by each others bravado and stupidity. Their riding is intentionally reckless and provocative; raising the liklihood of an accident or violence if there's an alteration.

Of course I'd love to see them all off the road...

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

It is not identifying then that is the problem

it is catching them

or identifying them to detain them later

If they are challenged then they just shoot off
and an electric bike can go through narrow gaps and up paths that cop cars cannot go

not sure how they get round that

 

[classic33]

It is not identifying then that is the problem

it is catching them

or identifying them to detain them later

If they are challenged then they just shoot off
and an electric bike can go through narrow gaps and up paths that cop cars cannot go

not sure how they get round that

Briggate in Leeds, where a few have been seized, they could get them as they sit around waiting on the orders coming in. Similar areas in most city/town centres, where they wait with their motorbikes nearby.

One big problem is how different areas of the same police force deal with the same issue. Local town centre, they don't bother, saying that the bikes are simply too fast to catch. Whilst in Leeds city centre they are pulling them aside where the congregate, waiting. Catching them going uphill, without pedalling. Through No Entry signs and other simple things.

 

[wafter]

It is not identifying then that is the problem

it is catching them

or identifying them to detain them later

If they are challenged then they just shoot off
and an electric bike can go through narrow gaps and up paths that cop cars cannot go

not sure how they get round that

Choppers and drones. If the bloke on the local FB group is to be believed (yeah, I know) they've had the chopper out at least once recently for this reason.

 

[sevenfourate]

I saw - and after seeing this: tried to find the photos on Social Media. **GOT IT

Lowestoft has its issues. But are being pro-active seemingly…….👌💪👍

 

[Mo1959]

There’s one goes along the street here roughly 5.50am every week day. It’s so fast the noise the tyres make on the road sounds like a jet! Some days he seems to pedal but it seems to go without pedalling too so it must be throttle operated and a massive battery.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Choppers and drones. If the bloke on the local FB group is to be believed (yeah, I know) they've had the chopper out at least once recently for this reason.

More likely the chopper was doing something else in the vicinity and was heading back to base and did a quick scoot round on the way back

I have seen things where they have done that to make a video of the route of a car chase after the event and stuff like that

but either way - a lot of effort, people and money to nab on scrote

but not sure how else they can follow them in some cases

 

[DRM]

More likely the chopper was doing something else in the vicinity and was heading back to base and did a quick scoot round on the way back

I have seen things where they have done that to make a video of the route of a car chase after the event and stuff like that

but either way - a lot of effort, people and money to nab on scrote

but not sure how else they can follow them in some cases

It'll end up with the need for something capable of out running the electric motorbikes, I could well see the Police buying the most powerful electric motorbikes they can lay their hands on, round here they got sick of the "pit bikes" and actively go off road chasing the ne'er do wells on motocross bikes

 

[wafter]

More likely the chopper was doing something else in the vicinity and was heading back to base and did a quick scoot round on the way back

I have seen things where they have done that to make a video of the route of a car chase after the event and stuff like that

but either way - a lot of effort, people and money to nab on scrote

but not sure how else they can follow them in some cases

Indeed; that may have been the case and I agree about the resource allocation.

That said, one may feel differently about priorities if receiving said scrote to the face at 60mph closing speed... plus, while the antisocial / dangerous element of their behaviour is all we see, chances are they're involved in all manner of other crime and nastiness which may give the Polis more incentive to chase them.

Otherwise I agree - unless the coppers are on scramblers or similar you've got no hope catching them without air support.

 

[Drago]

They wont send a chopper up at £4k + an hour for a sheetbag on a Suron unless theyve just committed a murder or the like. As above, they might divert if they're up for something else or transiting and they have the necessary endurance, but you've more chance of Shergar turning out than an X-Ray whirlybird going up for an illegally modified electric moped.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

I suspect there's an amount of variation depending on where you are....

Around here the delivery riders are mostly on illegally converted / equally illegal Ali Express specials , pay sod all attention to the law and ride with excess speed (within limits; maybe 25-30mph at worst). Their attitude however seems to be very much one of necessity and despite constantly drawing attention to themselves through their abysmal riding they seem to keep their heads down and get on with it. Of those I've verbally abused I've never had one escalate the confrontation.

The kids on the other hand aren't out to scrape together enough to pay for another month in a 20 bed HMO. They're out for the sake of it; on proper electric motorbikes. They're travelling at significantly higher speeds (I reckon the last lot I saw were doing 40-50mph in a 30 zone); fuelled by each others bravado and stupidity. Their riding is intentionally reckless and provocative; raising the liklihood of an accident or violence if there's an alteration.

Of course I'd love to see them all off the road...

Yes, I agree with the above.
In my area some "kids" use segregated paths with their illegal bikes or quads, I even saw them on tarmac tracks designed for the use of young children, scaring the young ones off.
Small e-mopeds are a danger as well, not so much to the general public imo, more to the children themselves that use them.

I don't wish food delivery drivers harm, I understand why they don't take the roads if there's an alternative - same reason as me on my bike!
But by the cycling community not bothering, it sets a precedent: soon mopeds and motorbikes riders will think it's acceptable to use a cycling facility.

I have been shouted at by drivers "why don't you use the path, they built it for you!" when I was actually going to join a path from another where you had to go on the road first: will motorists expect deliveroos to be on the cycle path as a matter of fact?
Will the slower push bike riders be intimidated, even put off, by faster, zooming bikes sharing the lane with them?

There aren't many places that one can consider safe cycling from A to B; here in Glasgow they have built a few with the usual flaws, but they have built them.
Now they are full of food delivery riders: just no!
I don't see why food delivery riders can't use legal e-bikes, maybe their catchment area is too big to deliver hot food at the legal speed?

 

[gbb]

Needs to be stopped at source. The suppliers / sellers. As long as legal to sell, they will be found.

And that starts with (without wishing to get political) government.
THE VERY MOMENT they announced that e scooters would be legal to buy for use on private land (i assume same goes for e motorbikes)...i turned to my wife and said 'stupidest decision ever, youre going to see them all over the place now, they've just abdicated responsibility, spineless etc etc '

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

There is also a problem of morality

If the rental ones are OK to have on the "roads"
then morally saying that something the same size and power is illegal makes no sense

and a lot of people see that and think the law is an ass

At which point then they don;t see it as essential to stick to it
in fact, it just looks like "they" are OK with them as long as they are making money out of it

 

[Drago]

Even the police think its an ass. Many chief constables have spoken out about how dangerous the trial scooters are proving to be.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Even the police think its an ass. Many chief constables have spoken out about how dangerous the trial scooters are proving to be.

To be fair wo do not have any kind of bike/scooter hire scheme round here

so the only scooter I see are private ones
and the vast majority cause no problems
mostly just people using them on the cycle lanes and wider pavement to get to work and back

and riding sensibly

OK I saw 3 kids on one the other day - but they were not affecting anyone else and not near other people
(and we have all done things like that when we were younger!)

but they are still illegal technically and get caught up if the local plod have a "crackdown"