Road rage in Britain

[hackbike 666]

Nine minutes something with the courier seems to be the general attitude out there.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Lee, it's pointless arguing with you on this, as you are both hopelessly biased and immune to logic on this particular issue.

Seems to be little point inviting someone to discuss something, then chucking your toys when they do.

 

[BentMikey]

No, it was just a comment that no doubt Lee would try to show the HGV driver as innocent, proved her rather well, to the extent of Lee implying that the footage has been "compiled" to show the HGV driver in a bad light.

Lee's blind and unswerving defence of all HGV drivers in the face of all odds just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He's shown before he's almost incapable of believing any wrongdoing from an HGV driver.

 

[HF2300]

The trouble is the CCTV footage is so limited that you can make it say almost anything you want - you really need to see what happens before the footage starts.

Lee, on the left in the colour footage you can see the zig-zags for the pedestrian crossing that's in the BW footage, so I'd guess the collision was some 50 yards up the road from the initial footage.

 

[Blackandblue]

On the basis of that clip, there's not a lot we can say with any great insight into the HGV incident but I did think it curious that the mother didn't say anything about the HGV overtaking and turning left. If that were the case, I would want to make that point quite clear in the context of a piece recommending cyclists don't go up the inside of HGVs. Possibly lost in editing or possibly it wasn't the case; who knows. Either way, I have had and witnessed close calls where drivers of all manner of vehicles have passed me and then swung left across me. Balanced reporting ought to recognise this phenomenon.

And as for drivers not wanting to cause a fatal accident, I have sometimes had my doubts about that too. I can't believe someone would want to do it but people's behaviour sometimes suggests just that.

 

[ed_o_brain]

I don't think the Mother could say anything about the HGV overtaking and turning left as it is post-justice.

Looking at the video, at 5:14 I clearly see the cyclist to the right of the phone box between the traffic light and ahead only sign with no lorry. At 5:16, view of the exact same location, still in black and white, cyclist now progressed to be between phone box and traffic light. The cement lorry has appeared and is clearly at the side of her.

It looks to me like an overtake and turn left.

 

[ed_o_brain]

When we think that we (cyclists) get it bad, pedestrians don't get a great lot either.

Just watch footage from Part 4, 1 minute in:


View: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo82ARXq6Hg&feature=channel

 

[Cab]

How many coppers standing at a junction to nick cyclists jumping red lights? Five? Thats rank insanity.

WAAAAY out of proportion to the danger that cyclists pose to others and to themselves. Classic City of London policing, go for the easy minority targets rather than formulate a proactive policy to improve safety for all.

 

[downfader]

How many coppers standing at a junction to nick cyclists jumping red lights? Five? Thats rank insanity.

WAAAAY out of proportion to the danger that cyclists pose to others and to themselves. Classic City of London policing, go for the easy minority targets rather than formulate a proactive policy to improve safety for all.

You could argue its the same logic with speed cameras... if you dont want to risk getting caught dont do it.

 

[Cab]

You could argue its the same logic with speed cameras... if you dont want to risk getting caught dont do it.

Different argument though. If a cyclist gets caught by passing plod, its a fair cop. Heck, cyclist gets caught by five plod staking out a crossing, fair cop. No argument there. But it is not possible to construct an argument for such massive expenditure of police time devoted to this, at least it isn't possible to do so based on the actual risks posed (as measured by the accident and injury rates).

 

[HF2300]

I don't think the Mother could say anything about the HGV overtaking and turning left as it is post-justice.

Looking at the video, at 5:14 I clearly see the cyclist to the right of the phone box between the traffic light and ahead only sign with no lorry. At 5:16, view of the exact same location, still in black and white, cyclist now progressed to be between phone box and traffic light. The cement lorry has appeared and is clearly at the side of her.

It looks to me like an overtake and turn left.

Surely she can say what she likes if the case is dealt with? Isn't it only sub-judice she might be restricted?

This is exactly my point about the inadequacy of the footage. As I watch it, the first shot (5:11) shows the lorry mirror in right of frame, apparently pretty much next to the cyclist. Second shot (5:13) shows the mirror arm and shadow of the cab on the ground, still seemingly next to the cyclist. Third shot (5:14) clearly shows the lorry next to the cyclist, as does the fourth; then there's a big jump to the colour shot when you've no idea what happened in between. I could read that as lorry alongside all the way, both pulled away from junction with first cyclist then lorry slightly ahead, lorry had begun overtake before CCTV area, whatever.

 

[HF2300]

Had to laugh at the previous sequence with the green dustcart though - they're filming a cyclist alongside the lorry and he has to avoid a scooter that's hacking up the wrong way against traffic!

This programme was discussed in the Cafe when it was on:

http://www.cyclechat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=7319