Sampling an E-Bike and reflections on fitness.

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tyred

Squire
Location
Ireland
I had the opportunity to have a decent (~20 lumpy miles) test ride on an electric bike over Christmas, mainly because my neighbour who sells cars for a living has decided to take out an agency for these things for my area and asked me to give my thoughts on it. I can't remember who made it now but it's German, top of the range and €1,900 and has a range of 50 - 60 miles.

To be honest, it didn't do it for me. The novelty of playing with the three boost settings had worn of after about a mile, and then you are left with a seriously heavy bike, fitted with heavy, sluggish puncture resistant tyres, a single chainwheel (probably about 48t, I couldn't see it properly with the hockey stick chainguard) with 7 speed megarange 14 - 34t block. I attempted a hill (it's not that steep, it's a doddle on anything with gears or even a lightweight steel frame with 65" fixed wheel, doable standing on the pedals of a 70" gear on a heavy vintage Humber roadster) without the electric assist and struggled, even in the lowest gear. It was obviously much easier with the electric assist but even a heavy normal bike like my vintage Humber would be easy, albeit probably slower if it had such a wide gear range.

Riding this thing without electric assist is not that easy unless it's dead flat road. I can only imagine the motor in the hub has a lot of drag as it seemed more difficult than I thought it should.

It occurred to me that I didn't really like it because I simply didn't need the electric motor. There may come a time I might need it in the future. There are probably people out there with knee, hip or back problems who would love this bike. 6 or 7 years ago when I started cycling again as an adult, overweight and unfit, I may have liked it myself if I'd know such things existed at the time and could have afforded the asking price. But after cycling several thousand miles a year, mostly leisure, I don't particularly aim for fitness, I don't try to beat personal bests or anything like that, I just ride at the pace I feel like on the day, I see myself as someone who enjoys the countryside and fresh air, not an athlete, I'm still heavier than I should be, I'm still partial to the odd fag, I don't consider myself fit but simply from clocking up the miles, I have obviously attained a level of fitness which is enough to comfortably ride a bike in my hilly locality. It has occurred to me that the routes I used to consider difficult on a geared bike, I now often do without gears. My definition of a short ride has changed from about 2 miles to about 30 or 40 miles.

I honestly believe the media have people convinced that being fit and active is really difficult and involves spending hours in the gym, that it is dangerous and difficult to ride a bike, or walk, run on the road so most people don't bother.

I am living proof that a better than average level of fitness can be achieved by adding a little activity into your normal everyday routine and building on it. It doesn't take a huge amount of effort at all once you get started, just don't overdo it to begin with. I have had many people tell me they have no time to take exercise but have the time to spend hours watching TV. I used to do that too. I now generally spend the spare time I spent watching TV on the bike. At this time of year, when I ride the country roads at night and pass houses and glance in to see through the window and see overweight people sitting on a sofa eating crisps in front of Eastenders, I actually feel sorry for them. I used to be like that, fat, permanently tired and miserable, looking enviously at thin, fit people.

I never thought about it before but I am very happy to have got of my arse and changed my life for the better, the extra fitness is nice, but I have also learned loads and met very interesting people as a result of my re-newed interest in cycling (and hillwalking). As someone who has always been prone to bouts of depression, I find exercise has had a huge positive effect on my mental health as well.

I'm not sure I really have a point to this rambling other than highlighting my recent musings on the advantages of getting out and about in the fresh air and being active has had on my life (and as this is a cycling forum, I'm obviously preaching to the converted). But if you can, do gently persuade (don' t preach or bully) any inactive friends or relatives you may have to start taking a little exercise, even a walk down the road once in a while. They will thank you eventually.
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
I think electric would be fine on a cargo bike/trike/quad but only if the assistance offered by it isn't negated by the additional weight of the electric set up. Moving cargo in a hilly area would be a good reason to have some electric assist.
 

youngoldbloke

The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
I know of one couple who have got rid of their bikes - both desirable makes, that they had ridden locally for years, and bought electric bikes.
No health issues AFAIK, just a perception that as they got older - mid 60s - it was the thing to do, and was somehow healthy and 'green'. They still only ride locally, trips to the shop etc, just don't pedal so much, whatever their good intentions. In reality many of these bikes are simply electric mopeds by another name.
 
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tyred

tyred

Squire
Location
Ireland
I do believe there is a use for such machines for the elderly or anyone else who isn't strong enough to ride a normal bike, and if used in an urban setting in place of cars, it can only be a good thing in terms of reduced congestion etc.

Unfortunately, I suspect that most car commuters still won't use one for the same reasons they won't use any other bike - they might get wet or cold.

I'm also arguing that anyone who is fortunate enough to have good health shouldn't need the electric assist and would have far more enjoyment on a normal, lighter bike. It just takes time and miles for fitness to come for anyone who is starting from a low base point and sadly, a lot won't try it for long enough to reach that point. Bike shops could also help by selling more practical based bikes with sensible gearing, not everyone wants a race bike.
 

youngoldbloke

The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
I'm also arguing that anyone who is fortunate enough to have good health shouldn't need the electric assist and would have far more enjoyment on a normal, lighter bike. It just takes time and miles for fitness to come for anyone who is starting from a low base point and sadly, a lot won't try it for long enough to reach that point. Bike shops could also help by selling more practical based bikes with sensible gearing, not everyone wants a race bike.
+1 - and not everyone wants a heavy, knobbly-tyred, 'mountain' bike either - the triumph of marketing over function, and responsible for putting many more people off cycling.
 

simon.r

Person
Location
Nottingham
I do believe there is a use for such machines for the elderly or anyone else who isn't strong enough to ride a normal bike...

My Dad, aged 79, has relatively recently taken to riding an electric bike. He's in pretty good health, but would never have claimed to be ultra-fit, even 40 or 50 years ago. His argument is that the e-bike enables him to do roughly double the mileage for the same amount of effort. So in his case it enables him to get out of the suburbs and into the countryside, which he'd struggle to do on a conventional bike.

It also satisfies his tinkering urge as he plays around with fitting the motor to various bikes (the latest incarnation involves the motor being fixed to a trailer towed by the Brompton)!
 

snorri

Legendary Member
as they got older - mid 60s -
:eek::eek:

I successfully convinced a would be e-bike buyer in that age group that he was sufficiently fit to manage fine without a motor, I'm pleased to say he has since purchased a conventional hybrid bike.
Perhaps older people remember struggling up hills as youngsters on bikes without gears and are unaware of how easy it can be now to climb these same hills, despite passage of the years, on bikes with modern gear systems.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
What do Rose, Cube, Felt, Focus, Bianchi, Koga, Kalkhoff and dozens of others all have in common?

They all make ebikes.
 

biggs682

Itching to get back on my bike's
Location
Northamptonshire
never tried one and cant really see me trying one in near future either . but if i was given one to try then try 1 i would
 
I am a great believer in E-Bikes

Both my Mother, Mother-in-law were cycling into their eighties which would not have happened without e-bikes

My wife is disabled and cannot cycle far, but with the Bionx powered Gekko we can tour, have days out and shop which again would not be possible without the assist
 

DiddlyDodds

Random Resident
Location
Littleborough
Out for a ride last year and i turned onto an main road into Manchester and 100m in front was an oldish chap on a bike, with what looked like a fishing wicker basket on the back , after a cpl of mins i started to think i am not catching this bloke up, so as we reach the next lights i stop alongside him and it was then that i spot it was an electric bike.
I was doing around 15-18mph and he was sat in front looking like he could do that all day with basket and all (oh and wellies , no fancy clip ins) after three miles he turned off thank god.
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
Electric bikes in the UK are limited by law to a power of 200 W and assisting the cyclist to a maximum speed of 15 mph. Both of those figures are easily attainable by a fit cyclist, so on the flat the only real use would be when battling into a strong headwind. No use downhill either. They could be handy going uphill, except that the extra weight of the bike would waste a lot of the extra power.

Given that the bikes are much heavier than conventional bikes, have a limited range, and cost a lot more, I can't see much point in them except for somebody in poor health. These days, the latter category includes me and I did think about having a go on one, but I'd only ended up stranded somewhere out on the moors when the battery went flat! I'll stick to leg power.

Most people don't realise what they could achieve if they put in a bit of effort, and electric bikes pander to them. My ex's mum used to live up one of the local hills and I tried persuading her to buy a bike when she was 65 but she wouldn't even consider it. She thought it impossible to ride up that hill at her age, despite the fact that she was fit enough to do hilly 8+ mile walks.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
It was my misfortune to have to research the legal position of ebikes for my day job.

I say misfortune, because a confused picture emerged, not least because the EU regulations conflict with our own, which in themselves are not clear.

The matter is currently before Parliament, but perhaps quite rightly, our elected representatives don't see it as the most pressing thing in their in-tray.

The majority of off-the-shelf ebikes are 250w, limited to 15.5mph, which appears to be legal for all practical purposes.

Ebikes have yet to take off in this country, but they are very popular in Europe.

Someone who regularly goes to the Eurobike trade show - the one held in the Zeppelin hangars - told me the proportion of ebikes on the stands has been growing and they now account for 30 or 40 per cent of the show.

As regards price, there is some value to be had at the lower end of the market.

I reckon the bike part of the £699 ebike in the following link has equipment and similar quality to roughly a £250 ordinary bike - not brilliant, but not complete rubbish.

http://wooshbikes.co.uk/electric-bikes/sirocco2x/

Equally, you could pay £2,500 for an ebike which has bits you could get on an ordinary bike for £600.
 
I got a cheap one when i first got into cycling and had to navigate 11 hilly miles. It was an Izip from wilkinsons. Heavy as anything and just about got you to work before the battery went. The weight was unreal 110 lbs with battery. I would say they are fantastic for people who want to use them to do the shopping. You do notice the difference on hills if you are unfit.
 

jdtate101

Ex-Fatman
Got passed by an electric bike the other day as she wooshed up a hill. It was a youngish girl, but unfortunately for her she started to run out of charge halfway up and slowly ground to a halt in front of me. After that there was no way she was going to be able to pedal it, she was very petite and the bike was very heavy. I did the honourable thing and got off and pushed it up the hill, whilst she pushed my 16lb carbon bike up. The downhill run provided her with enough recharge to continue (I stayed with her to make sure it did). Just goes to prove these electric bike are only as good as long as the batteries last.
 
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