Saw a cyclist knocked down this evening.

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dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
bigonabianchis comment " nailing the bitch in the car to the wall in a public place for all to spit on and stone her to within an inch of her life..." is a complete disgrace , and Crankarms rant calling her a stupid b*tch over and over again is almost just as bad ,have you ever heard of shock and the way people react under such stress as hitting someone on the road.
see Adrian's post above. If Crankarm had turned up after I was rear-ended by a car I'd have been very glad of his company.

Good show all round, Crankarm, and I just hope that you can stick with it. Sounds like the policeman just wanted this to go away.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Can we keep this on topic and no personal insults please. If nothing constructive to say, don't say it. This will get locked if it carries on.

PS Any news from the cyclist ?
 

jugglingphil

Senior Member
Location
Nottingham
One would think but there are so many instances, not just cycling RTAs where people who should help walk on by, cross the road. I couldn't do that. I was only doing what any person with an ounce of humanity and compassion would hopefully do. It is not worthy of thanks. Just part of basic human rights owed to your fellow man ........ or woman. Person. The right to life if you like.

I am sure you know that in France and maybe other European countries it is a criminal offence not to offer assistance to some one whose is in such a situation needing emergency help. I think it should be the same here. If only to the extent of making people call the emergency services and offer basic comfort and assistance to the injured party before paramedics etc arrive on the scene. But hey ho.

Well done for Chankarm for stopping and assisting the injured cyclist, but surely we all would?

People should help if someone is injured, irrespective of how the injury occured.
I also think anyone leaving to scene of an accident that they were involved with (hit and run) should instantly lose their licence and probably worse. What sort of world do we want to live in!!
 

fimm

Veteran
Location
Edinburgh
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the collision, for a person who has not been hurt to be abusing someone who is injured is highly unpleasant, in my opinion. I can't see anything wrong in anything that you did, Crankarm, and one would have thought you could have let off a bit of stress and steam on here...
 

swee'pea99

Squire
Let me add my plaudits and sympathies Crankarm. That must have been very traumatic for you and well done for keeping calm and doing the right thing. (Have to say I'm simply baffled by the snotty attitude displayed by some posters above. But putting that to one side...)

It's really important, I think, that you stay involved, and clear. Perhaps file an official statement ASAP. The question of responsibility is obviously absolutely crucial, not least to the source of a big chunk of repair money, for both car and bike. Looks to me on the face of it like an open & shut case: driving without care & attention, period. If she continues to maintain that the cyclist had no lights, things could get a bit murkier - but if you feel able to remain adamant and vocal that she was, I suspect it will stand the cyclist in very good stead.

Anyway, well done.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
Crankarm, what time of day was it, and how dark was it? I was just wondering whether the lights aspect is even relevant. (obviously I recommend lights even in daylight)
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Let me add my plaudits and sympathies Crankarm. That must have been very traumatic for you and well done for keeping calm and doing the right thing. (Have to say I'm simply baffled by the snotty attitude displayed by some posters above. But putting that to one side...)

My suspiscion is that Crankarm's generally, er, combative style means that some people are keener to jump in and contradict him than they would if the OP had been someone else.

Other people just like to bang their own drums no matter what.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
see Adrian's post above. If Crankarm had turned up after I was rear-ended by a car I'd have been very glad of his company.

Good show all round, Crankarm, and I just hope that you can stick with it. Sounds like the policeman just wanted this to go away.
Agreed, plus swea'pea99 and Arch et al.
I'm saddened by how this thread might appear to an outsider or newbie.
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
Well done Crankarm. You did the right thing.

I also feel that the driver, verbally abusing an injured person laying in the road, is inexcusable. Ok, it may partly be down to human nature and our culture, but thats no excuse. I think a few people calling her names on a forum she probably will never read, is justified.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Well done Crankarm. You did the right thing.

I also feel that the driver, verbally abusing an injured person laying in the road, is inexcusable. Ok, it may partly be down to human nature and our culture, but thats no excuse. I think a few people calling her names on a forum she probably will never read, is justified.

If it is down to human nature (and of course, she may just have been a very unpleasant person, rather than acting on some primeval instinct) then it's a sort of excuse, because we are a very complicated animal, with all sorts of hidden factors we're unaware of, which only come out at times of stress and so on. That woman may just have been very bad at overcoming her initial instinct. Of course that might be because she's never bothered to try.

More Off Topic: I watched a programme last week about the Japanese tsunami, as seen through home video. A man was filming from a high vantage point, watching dock workers as they first watched the wave coming and then ran away, but only at a jog, looking back all the time. He was saying (it was subtitled) "oh, you idiots, you idiots". Now, even allowing for subtleties of translation, and whether 'idiot' might have a slightly different meaning in Japanese, that seems pretty heartless, since the guys clearly got washed away. But that chap was in a moment of supreme stress, and probably not thinking very clearly.

The real test of the driver, I feel, like someone said above, is how they behave in the cold light of day. She may turn out to still be a heartless cow, in which case, she deserves everything the law can throw at her, plus as much litigation as the victim can muster. If she realises how bad her mistake was, and how bad her behaviour was, and is suitably contrite, then she might just deserve some forgiveness...
 

dawesome

Senior Member
It seems every vehicle driver is guilty in accidents involving cyclists. And called in the most awful manner. This without even knowing the true cause. So it seems.


Rubbish, this is a specific example, there's no universal blame of drivers, just this driver who appears to have hurt someone and then hurled abuse. That's why you're unable to offer evidence that the driver is always blamed, you're posting straw men.
 
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