School closures

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gavintc

Guru
Location
Southsea
OK, I am being a little bit controversial in my replies and pushing it a little. The weather has been quite exceptional over the last few weeks. But, I still am a bit surprised at the speed that schools close at whiff of a snowflake and I stand by my comment that teacher training days should be done in the holidays.

I accept that teaching is a challenge and I know that I could not do it. I would not have patience to cope with the 10% of the pupils who are the least enjoyable to teach. So, underneath I do have a respect for the profession.
 

biggs682

Itching to get back on my bike's
Location
Northamptonshire
most schools in wellingborough either didnt open or closed lunch time , which gave me a tought decision either stay at work or have half day and go sledging, make snowmen and have a snow ball fight with 9 yr old daughter boy it was tough , but yes snow won
 

jamesxyz

New Member
gavintc said:
I accept that teaching is a challenge and I know that I could not do it. I would not have patience to cope with the 10% of the pupils who are the least enjoyable to teach. So, underneath I do have a respect for the profession.


A-ha - a little sympathy!

I may be wrong but I think the 5 training days teachers get did originally come out of holidays back in the late 70s when Baker was Sec of State for education - hence some old teachers still call them 'Baker days' (before I was teaching anyway), so kids get the same number of days off they always did, teachers get 5 less!

BTW I really sympathise with people who can't work and don't get paid - my brother's in the same boat (or lorry ...)

Anyway off to dig out the cars so I can get to school tomorrow, as no doubtthe caretakers will have cleared paths, car parks etc!;)
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
I researched teaching. Didn't do it when I discovered that it's a minimum 70 hour week for about 43 weeks a year, with much of the remaining parts of the year taken up with research and personal learning. At that time the pay was poor compared to what I could earn elsewhere too.

The last I heard school closure is down to the local authority or head teacher and takes place when the safety or well being of pupils is compromised. Private schools of course don't have to listen to a local authority before closing.

Normally teachers still chose or have to go in to school when pupils don't. In practice this gives valuable extra time for non-classroom activities.
 

siadwell

Guru
Location
Surrey
Learnt from my teacher sister-in-law today that one of the factors considered in closing her school is the attendance statistics. If the school is open and a lot of pupils don't make it in, the register records them as absent, and that doesn't look good for the school. However, if the school is not open, that's recorded differently.
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
And to the teachers, why are they any different from other employees? Why aren't they expected to get into work in areas where the majority of other workers have managed it?

I don't know what it's like up where you are, but it's not just the schools around here. Most of the shops in Ross were shut today, even though there were plenty of people just wandering around enjoying the snow.
 

Trumpettom001

Well-Known Member
College was closed today - shame really as fresh snow - no problem, as 2 out of the 2.5 miles i do to it are through a park shared primarily with one other cyclist.

snow partially thawed today, so tomorrow will be patchy ice, so i'm somewhat nervous about cycling tomorrow... but will enjoy the reaction of "WHAT!!! you cycled here!!! are you NUTs!!"
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
gavintc said:
OK, I am being a little bit controversial in my replies and pushing it a little. The weather has been quite exceptional over the last few weeks. But, I still am a bit surprised at the speed that schools close at whiff of a snowflake and I stand by my comment that teacher training days should be done in the holidays.

I accept that teaching is a challenge and I know that I could not do it. I would not have patience to cope with the 10% of the pupils who are the least enjoyable to teach. So, underneath I do have a respect for the profession.
OK, fair enough, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

However, Full time teachers work at the school or college through out the holidays. Just because the kids don't go in doesn't mean the teachers don't either. They are sorting out all the paperwork that comes from end of year exams, tests, assessments and projects to satisfy the external examiners. Then they are learning the new course subjects and assessment requirements and changing, adapting and making up new teaching methods and resources to suit. They are also under going continuous training and retraining.

They only get two weeks off in the summer and they are told when that will be and there is no choice. It is the same time that all the holidays are expensive and all the other teachers and families are trying to get a holiday.

Half terms and the like are spent doing training, preparing for subject changes, class changes, exams, etc. Late August and early September is spent re equiping class rooms so that all the students have lockers, drawers, resources, pictures on walls, hand outs, and so on.
Evenings are spent marking and checking the day's work and preparing the lessons for the next day based on progress so far. Sometimes that includes making up resources, work packs, more hand outs, models, videos, PP presentations, quizes, educational games.

It really is a full time job that starts at around 8am and goes on to about 11pm and often includes weekends too.

Part timers have to do the same but they don't get paid for the holiday weeks or for the additional training days nor do they get paid for admin time.
In addition, part timers have to be prepared for the first class in September but are often not told what that class is or that they even have a class until the day before. Quiet often there is no certainty that there is even a job after each term as that depends on how the class resuffles works out.

Despite all that, teachers really do want to teach. If they only wanted an income then there are much easier ways to get one. Sadly many teachers are leaving teaching in England due to the poor discipline of many of the younger kids.
It is one reason why I won't teach 16 and under anymore. I am fed up with racist and sexist abuse, violence, drugs, the lack of interest, being called a 'peeedoo!' whenever I am required to collect photographic evidence of their project work, having my phone or my laptop nicked, having fake facebook profiles made in my name...
The list goes on.

Like Mossy, I am not after sympathy. I am just stating how it is. Few people stop to consider what other jobs are really like behind the 'corporate face' of the company or organisation.
 

PBancroft

Senior Member
Location
Winchester
Seeing as the vast majority of pupils live within walking distance of the school, the only reason to close a school for the sake of the pupils is if the heating isn't working.

The reality, which most seem unable to admit, is that the reasons schools are closed are because parents who drive their kids to school can't drive their kids to school, and because some teachers might have problems getting in.

What is the source for the "vast majority" study of children living within walking distance you quote?
 

Bromptonaut

Rohan Man
Location
Bugbrooke UK
Not sure about the "most walk to school" stat. Choice in big cities means all sorts of commuting for kids. And here in semi rural Northants while my kids walk most of their contemporaries are bussed in. If they cannot operate the bus service safely the school is likley to be closed.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Catchment areas in Birmingham are pretty small. As they are in built-up areas.

But even with small catchment areas, I know from work I did on the safe routes to school that there is quite a large area where the children come from. I assume the children often get into a school by living closer and then may move further away, or perhaps on appeal or moving school during the school year. Whatever the reason even though a school might list in the school application book that the furthest a child was offered a place was 1.5 km, in reality there will be significant number who will be coming from further afield - including right across the city.

I heard on the radio this morning that one teacher was hinting that one reason for closing a school was to enable the children to play in the snow, - and that if they stayed in school, Health and Safety rules wouldn't allow them the same amount of play. I support that view myself as a parent, though I was surprised he aired it on radio.
 

Rhythm Thief

Legendary Member
Location
Ross on Wye
The 'let them play' argument is one I like.

Me too. Although not going to school because of the snow would have been unthinkable in my youth, not going outside during playtime and making slides, throwing snowballs and so on would also have been unthinkable.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Rhythm Thief said:
Me too. Although not going to school because of the snow would have been unthinkable in my youth, not going outside during playtime and making slides, throwing snowballs and so on would also have been unthinkable.

You should see what they do to any bit of ice found in the school grounds - those fondly remembered ice slides - covered with tons of grit!!! or large sections of the playground - no go areas as they are slippy. As a parent I understand there is a chance my child might fall and break a limb - but I would rather that, than a cotton wool covered child who had to sit inside and read a book on what children used to do in the snow.
 

PBancroft

Senior Member
Location
Winchester
For what its worth, here are the statistics.

You'll see that the majority (but only just - about 50%) of Primary aged children do walk to school, and about 40% of Secondary school children.

The last paragraph is worth noting specifically:

Since trips to school take place at around the same time each day they have a major impact on levels of congestion in some areas. At the peak travel to school time of 8.45am on weekdays in term time, nearly two in ten (18 per cent) car trips by residents of urban areas was generated by the 'school run' in 2006.
 

gavintc

Guru
Location
Southsea
In Canada, well Ontario at least, the kids are required to brought in for play when it reaches -25C. Until then the kids play outside. As a parent you are required to make sure that your child has adequate clothing and can dress themselves. I feel that the health and safety culture in Britain is killing our society.
 
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