Should learning to drive include cycle training?

Should driver training include cycle training?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1 100.0%
  • Don't know.

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • Total voters
    1
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vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
I doubt that being trained to bikeability level 3 will do anything to improve car drivers' perceptions of life as a cyclist. Once the bikeability test is passed the bike is likely to be abandoned leaving the brief experience as a poorly retained memory just like the Highway Code once the theory and practical driving tests are passed.
 

darkstar

New Member
Arch said:
Poll dear, poll. I'll decide what I post on, thanks.

We'll move onto compulsory English lessons later....;)
Condescending now? Brilliant.
One final point, surely forcing everyone to cycle, many of which will not be capable or skilled enough to do so safely is pretty stupid? Full time cyclist know how to deal with a close pass by a car, novice riders don't, so putting them in the situation where they will be subjected to 'a few close passes' is outstandingly moronic.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Arch said:
I don't see why not.

You apply for your provisional licence. You are sent details of a local cycle trainer. You train for and pass a Bikeability test, and the trainer gives the ok to the DVLA, who send you your provisional licence.

Needs plenty of cycle trainers, but that's no bad thing. Anyone on here who is a cycle trainer, how long does it take to pass Bikeability 3?

But no, it would interfere with the basic human right to just get in you car and do what you want....

Obviously, there would be systems to cope with those with disabilities that prevent them cycling, just as they presumably have to learn in adapted cars as it is.

learning to cycle correctly isn't the answer, learning to drive around cyclists is.
 

tdr1nka

Taking the biscuit
How's about taking the cycling part of a driving test after learning to drive and it helping to bring down the cost of your insurance or meaning, in theory, you'd have to take fewer 'driving' lessons.

I'm sure that three one hour lessons on a bike costs less to provide than the car, fuel and instructor for some lessons?
 

montage

God Almighty
Location
Bethlehem
Ok...here is another issue:

"Hi, my name is like totally Vicki and i am totally kl cos i haz had 3 kids allready and da counsil haz given me like a totally free hhouse. Oh. My. God. I gota learn to drive at the moment coz my kidz skool is like, 4 maybe 5 miles away. it iz such an effort, even harder than flippin them flippin burgers at macy D's. Also, like, sum total looooser is makin me ride a flippin bike, which is totally uncool and a waste of time............" etc.

It would cost so, so much.
 

Wigsie

Nincompoop
Location
Kent
tdr1nka said:
it helping to bring down the cost of your insurance

Because riding a bike makes an in-experienced driver less likely to crash? ;):laugh:

tdr1nka said:
or meaning, in theory, you'd have to take fewer 'driving' lessons.

And how is giving people fewer driving lessons better?

tdr1nka said:
I'm sure that three one hour lessons on a bike costs less to provide than the car, fuel and instructor for some lessons?

eh?

Sorry tdr1nka... 3 points and not one had an ounce of sense! :biggrin::wacko:
 

Wigsie

Nincompoop
Location
Kent
montage said:
Ok...here is another issue:

"Hi, my name is like totally Vicki and i am totally kl cos i haz had 3 kids allready and da counsil haz given me like a totally free hhouse. Oh. My. God. I gota learn to drive at the moment coz my kidz skool is like, 4 maybe 5 miles away. it iz such an effort, even harder than flippin them flippin burgers at macy D's. Also, like, sum total looooser is makin me ride a flippin bike, which is totally uncool and a waste of time............" etc.

It would cost so, so much.

Why are you bringing your girlfriend into this Monty?
 
OP
OP
Arch

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
darkstar said:
Condescending now? Brilliant.
One final point, surely forcing everyone to cycle, many of which will not be capable or skilled enough to do so safely is pretty stupid? Full time cyclist know how to deal with a close pass by a car, novice riders don't, so putting them in the situation where they will be subjected to 'a few close passes' is outstandingly moronic.

The point of Bikeablilty is to make them better cyclists, so they won't be novices, in fact they'll be better than a lot of 'cyclists' currently out there.

Since some of you aren't convinced, how would you improve the level of driving in this country? Let's have some positive ideas.

Obviously, better enforcement and stiffer penalties for breaking the law. Or is that too draconian too?
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I think it's a good idea. If people were very sceptical to begin with perhaps we could start off by giving cycling lessons as part of the extended retest for those banned for serious driving offences. That would seem a reasonable group to be starting with.

Ultimately though I think retests need to come in, whether that be a full blown replica or a just a referral system. It would create a vast bureaucracy but it'd shake things up a bit and might even shake up attitudes a bit if you know that you have to do that bit more than sending it off every ten years until you're 70 after which point it is 3 years.
 

Wigsie

Nincompoop
Location
Kent
Sorry but this thread (and current results) just highlights how self centred and/or self important some cyclists are!

More peds and other road users are seriously hurt/killed every year than cyclists, so why is this even being discussed in anyway?
 

tdr1nka

Taking the biscuit
Why should the driver be less experienced if they are passed to the level they are at present with additional cycling tuition? I'm also thinking along the line of the Pass Plus programme for new drivers.

I have said nothing about a cycling test taking the place of the number of 'driving' lessons it takes to make an 'experienced' driver, which changes from individual to individual, obviously.
 
OP
OP
Arch

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
Wigsie said:
Sorry but this thread (and current results) just highlights how self centred and/or self important some cyclists are!

More peds and other road users are seriously hurt/killed every year than cyclists, so why is this even being discussed in anyway?

Classic! So because more other users are killed, dead and injured cyclists don't matter? Do you actually cycle? Self important, just because I'd rather not get killed? How very selfish of me!

What I'm trying to get at is changing attitudes. Making people empathise and think more. That's good for everyone.
 
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