Should pop videos be 'age' rated?

[Over The Hill]

i think they should be age rated

You need to be aware that anyone restricted by some age limit on music videos accessed via a computer already has the means to access (and probably does access) all sorts of stuff that it far worse than Miley Cyrus licking a hammer. Show this thread to an 11 year old and they will laugh.

 

[ufkacbln]

Her 'wrecking ball' vid was sponsored by Kleenex

As posted elsewhere .....

Miley takes off all her clothes and licks a hammer suggestively and it is sexy

I did it in B&Q, and was called a pervert

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Her 'wrecking ball' vid was sponsored by Kleenex

Nice sledgehammer, hickory handle if I'm not mistaken, probably only a lightweight one, 3 - 7lb range.

 

[the_mikey]

I think she'd rather tone down the video in favour of getting it shown to her target teeny bop fan base on main stream daytime TV.

Who watches TV these days?

 

[MontyVeda]

Who watches TV these days?

kids?

 

[Over The Hill]

[QUOTE 2698633, member: 45"]Nonsense.[/quote]

Not sure how you are accessing Cycle Chat without any idea of how the internet works . There is not a way of effectively policing the internet access on an age restricted basis. If somehow you do put a certification on pop videos then there is still everything else.

 

[ufkacbln]

Also do we "need" increasingly risqué vids where the outrage sells rather than any content or artistic value

 

[swee'pea99]

Remember kids, it's not that long since for most children, the entertainment highlight of the year was a public hanging.

 

[Fnaar]

[QUOTE 2699649, member: 259"]Yes, they were great - and you got Roobarb and Custard on BBC1 when you got back from school. [/quote]
Roobarb and Custard theme is my phone's current ringtone

 

[MontyVeda]

Not sure how you are accessing Cycle Chat without any idea of how the internet works . There is not a way of effectively policing the internet access on an age restricted basis. If somehow you do put a certification on pop videos then there is still everything else.

So what are you saying OTH? Because something isn't ever going to be water tight, let's not bother with any form of censorship?

 

[marinyork]

So what are you saying OTH? Because something isn't ever going to be water tight, let's not bother with any form of censorship?

We had all this with PEGI. It will, as was the case in that, probably be hijacked by lobbyists with a very small c conservative view on culture and 'morality' to slap on high ratings to wind the clock back. We're talking about a rating system for very large number of music videos, not just Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, whatever.

I was wondering myself, since you were one of the minority of more sensible posters in the 18 rated games thread a good while back, what makes music videos different from games? To borrow what you said there would showing 15 rated music videos to a 10 or 11 year old be fine?

 

[Over The Hill]

So what are you saying OTH? Because something isn't ever going to be water tight, let's not bother with any form of censorship?

No, I think there is a fairly good job of censorship on TV and Radio and so when a music video or song is broadcast on there then it is censored and that is all fine.

Quite separate is the internet. Now we all know that all sorts of things are out there. Some pop singer doing no more than Madonna did 30 years ago is the least of the issues so it really seems laughable to make a fuss about or try to restrict one silly little thing when there is so much more out there that kids have access to that you may not be aware of.

You are not going to get anywhere near water tight, you are not going to get to a point where any action restricts access in any way.

The only practical approach is to make children aware that there is nasty stuff out there and that they should be aware that it is nasty and try to give them a context and mind-set to deal with it.
This is really only the same approach you have to enable them to deal with the outside world generally.

 

[MontyVeda]

We had all this with PEGI. It will, as was the case in that, probably be hijacked by lobbyists with a very small c conservative view on culture and 'morality' to slap on high ratings to wind the clock back. We're talking about a rating system for very large number of music videos, not just Miley Cyrus, Rihanna, whatever.

I was wondering myself, since you were one of the minority of more sensible posters in the 18 rated games thread a good while back, what makes music videos different from games? To borrow what you said there would showing 15 rated music videos to a 10 or 11 year old be fine?

TBH Marinyork, I can't recall the 18 rated games thread, so i may well be contradicting myself. I guess this music video would attract a 15 rating...



I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be shown on MTV at 4pm but is available on YouTube 24/7

This video on the other hand...





...one has to sign into their YouTube account to prove their age before viewing. (although when embedded, there seems to be no 'log in' required)

it seems it's OK to watch a gang of thugs causing mischief and mayhem but not a lap dancer's lady parts.

To try to answer your question,

...would showing 15 rated music videos to a 10 or 11 year old be fine?

As a supposedly responsible adult, I'd rather watch the video in question myself before making my mind up if it's suitable for a 10-11 year old to watch... But would seeing a lap dancer's lady parts cause any harm or distress to a 10-11 year old? Probably not.

By sticking a rating on something, be it PG, 15 or 18 gives the 'responsible' adult a choice to decide for themselves whether or not it's suitable.

As an example of my undeniable hypocrisy, I would happily allow a 10-11 year old to watch the 15 rated Last Action Hero, but wouldn't be too keen for a child of the same age to watch the 15 rated Dogville. And why the wonderful Amelie has a 15 rating I'll never know. (maybe it's the scene with the 'sex' noises?)

**accidentally put the wrong video in... apologies to those who saw Firestarter

 

[Over The Hill]

[QUOTE 2699939, member: 45"]...and that's the point. I'm happy to let my children watch music videos, but I'd like some warning before we're into the second verse and suddenly there's nudity. And so would they. My eldest won't watch 15-rated films. He was at a friends for a sleepover last week and they started playing Black Ops. He went upstairs and did something else.[/quote]

If that is your point then it is a rather muddled one! You put a naked person in a song video on the same scale as violent and graphic killing in a participation game/violent film.
Some issues there?

I would say that this prudish American attitude towards nudity is more damaging than the nudity itself.


As a side point, 44 years ago today the number 1 record was banned by the BBC. (Name that tune!)

 

[BigonaBianchi]

just ban all music videos and lets get back to the music