Sin bin for red light jumping cyclists
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only if they enter the box after the light has gone red.
no we dont, but some of us do have to visit the place fairly often, and its a very noticeable issue thesedays. and that walking around as a pedestrian, you do feel somewhat that just walking on a pavement let alone crossing the road has become more fraught than it should be.
equally one has to remember our politicians, and a good chunk of the MSM spend their lives in a Londonbubble that means they often see London as being totes representative of the UK and no doubt would more than happily introduce some new law or restriction or something just to be seen to be doing something
Happy_Days
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Precisely. Feral behaviour by many cyclists in central London has consequences for us all, as our politicians and lawmakers work there.
I rarely see feral cyclists outside central London. However, good behaviour in the rest of the country has less influence on lawmakers and journalists than feral cyclists in our capital city do.
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They should never be stationary in it. If they are in it, and light red, they are a red light jumper.
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steveindenmark
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This is the time of year the police come out in Denmark and give fixed penalty fines for red light jumpers. But especially bikes with no lights. You cannot really complain because they advertise it in the newspaper a week earlier.
Rusty Nails
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It is not always a traffic offence to stop in an advance box according to Highway Code rule 178:
If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you should stop as soon as possible and MUST stop at the second white line.
The law treats the two solid white lines differently. The first line is only a mandatory stop line when the light is already amber or red.
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Which means if you cross it on green, you won’t be in it when lights go red.
Rusty Nails
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Crawling traffic.
They could have been driving slowly through the box when the lights changed to amber and then got stuck on red.
It is not always a traffic offence to stop in the box.
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Rule 178 of the Highway Code states: "Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked.
Rusty Nails
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There is an important legal difference between 'should' and 'must' in the Highway Code.
It is not always a traffic offence to stop in the box.
Alex321
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Not true.
If there is a queue of traffic, they may have entered the box while the light was green, then not been able to leave before the light turned red.
nope. if the light was green when you entered the ASL box, passed the first line, its perfectly permitted for you to stop in the box then because of queuing traffic, or oncoming traffic preventing you from making progress to an exit, this is not a box junction. And if the light goes red whilst you are sat in the box, you havent jumped a red light and are allowed, in fact encouraged to stay put till the next phase.
you are only a red light jumper if you cross the first line of the ASL when the light was already red, technically should be amber as with level crossings, but theyll only prosecute on red.
now its splitting hairs because frankly most drivers move to the 2nd line when the light is red anyway. but Im just highlighting really the infraction only occurs if the traffic light was actually red when they crossed the first line.
Punkawallah
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A straw poll of drivers and cyclists who were even vaguely aware of this resulted in a ‘wot?’ result.
