Slightly disappointed

[Mugshot]

We agree to disagree then, I certainly wouldnt put myself on offer as your'e suggesting on a bend on a fast road, other than the approach. Even though I accept you think you may be increasing your visible presence to motorists your'e also drastically reducing their options should they come across you at high speed from behind not withstanding oncoming traffic.

I don't wish to sound as though I'm banging on about this but your strategy is not a good one. In your post #47 you said you will take primary on the approach to a bend to increase your visibility to approaching drivers then get right over to the left when negotiating the bend. By doing this you are inviting the overtake, in fact it is quite feasible that a car approaching from behind that has seen you taking the lane may assume that you are moving over to allow the overtake because you can see the road ahead is clear.
Your positioning in the gutter will also not help when cars are approaching from behind at 60mph if they choose not to see you, you are as likely to get rear ended or side swiped whatever your position. You are however more likely to be seen if you ride in a resonable secondary and take the lane where appropriate than if you ride at the edge.

 

[glenn forger]

Says the man who claims wisdom by virtue of simply living near an agricultural college rather than the more tradition method of actually going there.

I think you'll fine you're wrong and I live near a branch of T K Maxx so I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Drago]

So a real upmarket part of town then.

 

[glenn forger]

Don't you be racist towards me or I'll jam a cow in your door, and I live near a closed-down waterworks so be warned.

 

[doog]

I don't wish to sound as though I'm banging on about this but your strategy is not a good one. In your post #47 you said you will take primary on the approach to a bend to increase your visibility to approaching drivers then get right over to the left when negotiating the bend. By doing this you are inviting the overtake, in fact it is quite feasible that a car approaching from behind that has seen you taking the lane may assume that you are moving over to allow the overtake because you can see the road ahead is clear.
Your positioning in the gutter will also not help when cars are approaching from behind at 60mph if they choose not to see you, you are as likely to get rear ended or side swiped whatever your position. You are however more likely to be seen if you ride in a resonable secondary and take the lane where appropriate than if you ride at the edge.

I said as far as reasonable if you read the post again. Why assume its the gutter ? Its certainly inside the parameter than a two abreast would find themselves (and thats what the thread is about isnt it)

 

[Mugshot]

I said as far as reasonable.

What does that mean?

 

[doog]

What does that mean?

A yard from the verge, in a position that traffic entering the bend at 60 mph, with me not initially in their limit point, with a perception response time of 132 feet and a total stopping distance of 300 odd feet, faced with dappled light or whatever weather conditions happen to be, will have an opportunity not to stick me in the adjacent field when faced with oncoming traffic.

 

[Mugshot]

A yard from the verge, in a position that traffic entering the bend at 60 mph, with me not initially in their limit point, with a perception response time of 132 feet and a total stopping distance of 300 odd feet, faced with dappled light or whatever weather conditions happen to be, will have an opportunity not to stick me in the adjacent field when faced with oncoming traffic.

Ok, ta.

 

[Origamist]

People who choose to overtake on bends with limited sightlines are dangerous, farking idiots. It doesn't matter whether they're trying to pass a car, horse rider, pedestrian or two abreast cyclists.

I deal with these inept, collision magnets on a daily basis and there is very little you can do...

 

[middleman]

People who choose to overtake on bends with limited sightlines are dangerous, farking idiots. It doesn't matter whether they're trying to pass a car, horse rider, pedestrian or two abreast cyclists.

I deal with these inept, collision magnets on a daily basis and there is very little you can do...

And they are normally not really concentrating on the actual process of driving the car anymore or looking for hazards past the end of the bonnet of their metal protective box.

 

[TheJDog]

Scrap that, I do have some imaging software...

I would say this more accurately mimics the scenarios I have been in when I've been driving somewhere rather than on a bike, and I've not felt comfortable to overtake them. I know how horrible it is to be passed so close, and tbh I wouldn't feel safe.
If they're taking the lane for safety reasons, 100% fair enough, but I have to say that is not always the case. Plenty of people go around cycling in pairs on perfectly safe and highly visible straight segments of road. I mean... I have encountered them!

Anyway, I'm not even really sure why I'm still posting... just wanted to demonstrate exactly what I'm on about I guess!

So to summarize this part of your argument - sometimes the road is too narrow to safely overtake cyclists who are riding two abreast.

I think we can all agree with that.

However you seem to have extended this argument to mean that all cyclists riding two abreast are inconsiderate in all cases, which is completely incorrect.