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Mugshot

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
doog said:
A close overtake is surely better than getting rear ended by a car with nowhere to go. I was taught to drive at extremely daft speeds on country roads. As a cyclist If youre not within that limit point on a drivers approach (where the offside verge meets the nearside as you enter the bend )...the rest is a lottery. Its your decision but it might be your last.
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If a car comes round the corner towards you at the same time as you are being overtaken the automatic reaction by the overtaking car may be to swing straight into you, best to try to prevent the overtake from even starting. On a country road it is unlikely that sticking yourself in the gutter will stop you getting rear ended.
 
CopperCyclist

CopperCyclist

Veteran
Feastie said:
Scrap that, I do have some imaging software...

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I would say this more accurately mimics the scenarios I have been in when I've been driving somewhere rather than on a bike, and I've not felt comfortable to overtake them. I know how horrible it is to be passed so close, and tbh I wouldn't feel safe.
If they're taking the lane for safety reasons, 100% fair enough, but I have to say that is not always the case. Plenty of people go around cycling in pairs on perfectly safe and highly visible straight segments of road. I mean... I have encountered them!

Anyway, I'm not even really sure why I'm still posting... just wanted to demonstrate exactly what I'm on about I guess!
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I get where you are coming from - however in that scenario the exact same situation would arise if a car was coming in the opposite direction, so if the cyclists don't mind that, they won't mind you performing a considerate overtake when safe.
 
Feastie

Feastie

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Location
Leeds
Mugshot said:
It's still not inconsiderate by the cyclists though, there is room to overtake so they are not restricting the flow of traffic. The driver is giving as much room as possible, and one would hope they are travelling at an appropriate speed, I can see no issues.
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So 'as much room as possible' is suddenly fine in this scenario despite being barely any room, but if you gave that much space in a normal overtake of a single cyclist, you'd be roasted on this forum for not leaving a safe space. I can't help but find it a little hypocritical... :huh: Either I've missed something or you don't actually care about the margin of space by which you are passed, simply that the driver 'did their best' to move!
 
glenn forger

glenn forger

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Feastie said:
So 'as much room as possible' is suddenly fine in this scenario despite being barely any room, but if you gave that much space in a normal overtake of a single cyclist, you'd be roasted on this forum for not leaving a safe space.
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That's because it would be a stupid overtake.
 
glenn forger

glenn forger

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Feastie said:
Yes, this is literally my whole point.
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Nope, you are hypothesising two very different scenarios. Surely you can see this?
 
doog

doog

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Location
The beautiful south
Mugshot said:
If a car comes round the corner towards you at the same time as you are being overtaken the automatic reaction by the overtaking car may be to swing straight into you, best to try to prevent the overtake from even starting. On a country road it is unlikely that sticking yourself in the gutter will stop you getting rear ended.
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We agree to disagree then, I certainly wouldnt put myself on offer as your'e suggesting on a bend on a fast road, other than the approach. Even though I accept you think you may be increasing your visible presence to motorists your'e also drastically reducing their options should they come across you at high speed from behind not withstanding oncoming traffic.
 
Feastie

Feastie

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Location
Leeds
glenn forger said:
Nope, you are hypothesising two very different scenarios. Surely you can see this?
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No to be honest, I have literally no idea what you are talking about. What scenario are you talking about that I am not? I am talking about the scenario that I even illustrated a little picture of, so I don't see the confusion.
If your definition of driving competence is not caring about how close you come to a cyclist when overtaking, then:
A) I am perplexed and
B) we'll have to agree to disagree on that one! :blink:

I hope I don't encounter you driving.
 
Mugshot

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
Feastie said:
So 'as much room as possible' is suddenly fine in this scenario despite being barely any room, but if you gave that much space in a normal overtake of a single cyclist, you'd be roasted on this forum for not leaving a safe space. I can't help but find it a little hypocritical... :huh: Either I've missed something or you don't actually care about the margin of space by which you are passed, simply that the driver 'did their best' to move!
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It's not hypocritical. Whether in your diagram the lane is narrower or the cyclist is further out they are still not taking up any more room than any other vehicle. As Adrian has said they have judged that they would be comfortable with their proximity to approaching vehicles, it would be rationale to suggest that they have therefore also judged that provided the overtaking vehicle gives them as much room as they can and overtakes at an appropriate speed in an appropriate place in the road that they will be comfortable with that too.
 
glenn forger

glenn forger

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Feastie said:
Plenty of people go around cycling in pairs on perfectly safe and highly visible straight segments of road. I mean... I have encountered them!
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Why does this trouble you? You said yourself the road is safe and visible, I can't see why you struggle.
 
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