Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
How is it?
Slightly disappointed
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Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
Why?
doog
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- The beautiful south
Cycling without reasonable consideration for other road users is an offence... for what its worth...one or the other was unaware of his / her responsibilities.
What part of reasonable consideration are you having trouble with ?
Because you can't safely pass them if they're side by side. Whereas if they're one behind the other, it's possible to pass with enough room for it to be safe. You can argue that this is a corner so they did it to prevent themselves being passed (and fair enough, if only it had worked in this case...) but then why not just ride wide on the corner and take the lane? My guess is they'd just been riding like that all along.
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
ooohh....its tweedle dee, where's tweedle dum.... ? Whats trolling about pointing out the Road Traffic Act ?....
You live in la la land...im pretty damned sure of that.
Put two cyclists there next to each other in the space where you can just see one cyclist, and you'll see that 'giving as much space as you'd give a car' is the same thing as giving the inside cyclist a very close pass. The car can't get any further over without leaving the road. That's why there's a difference - even if an overtake is executed to the enth degree, you still can't actually give both cyclists a big safe margin of space. So it's inconsiderate because actually safe drivers will end up sitting behind you pootling along in order to facilitate the cyclists having a nice chat with each other. That's my opinion on it anyway. If the car was stuck behind a tractor instead of 2 cyclists abreast it could still overtake (assuming visibility) because you can't give a tractor a 'close pass', it's just bog standard overtaking.
I'm talking about roads in general here, as opposed to corners... I'm not going to argue that, if you can't see around where you're overtaking you should never ever do it. And if that's the basis of your argument then we're on the same page, so :P
You come barely any distance from the elbow of the outside cyclist!
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
lol
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
There is of course a limit as to how far a motorist can move over when performing an overtake, however quite simply they should give as much room as possible and not overtake in any circumstances where they cannot see the road ahead is clear. I will often move from secondary to primary on corners which I think the OP is describing, both to make myself more visible and to try not to invite a close overtake, in those situations I am not taking up any more road space than when I ride two abreast.
The cyclists are not being inconsiderate (although I would have stopped) the driver is being inconsiderate because they would rather risk a collision than have the patience to wait until they could overtake safely.
The cyclists are not being inconsiderate (although I would have stopped) the driver is being inconsiderate because they would rather risk a collision than have the patience to wait until they could overtake safely.
Depends on how they choose to cycle, I guess! Maybe they stick a bit closer to each other where you live
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
It's unlikely they'll be taking up more room than a tractor or a road sweeper, and quite possibly traveling more quickly, I wonder if the driver would have overtaken something like that on a blind bend.Depends on how they choose to cycle, I guess! Maybe they stick a bit closer to each other where you live
doog
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- Location
- The beautiful south
I think we all agree the motorist was at fault...end of
The two abreast issue is simply a matter of consideration and timing. Two abreast on a bend on a road with a 60 mph limit ....cant condone it....sure, taking the primary on the approach to the bend ( as mentioned by mugshot ) is something I do all of the time (today even - fast country road ) but effectively blocking the lane completely..nah ..... thats a recipe for disaster. If its not within the drivers limit point on approach then anything could happen and the motorist wouldnt reasonably be expected to be at fault.
I doubt that scenario adequately reflects that of the OP......
The two abreast issue is simply a matter of consideration and timing. Two abreast on a bend on a road with a 60 mph limit ....cant condone it....sure, taking the primary on the approach to the bend ( as mentioned by mugshot ) is something I do all of the time (today even - fast country road ) but effectively blocking the lane completely..nah ..... thats a recipe for disaster. If its not within the drivers limit point on approach then anything could happen and the motorist wouldnt reasonably be expected to be at fault.
Dutch highway code apparently, it's really not hard.
I doubt that scenario adequately reflects that of the OP......
Drago
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- Suburban Poshshire
Even single file the driver will need to encroach onto the opposite side of the carriageway, which is suicidal on a blind corner.