And eyes, get the eyes right. Kind of glower through small eye slits like you are focussed on a vulnerable spot. Then raise your chin in a momentary flash and go, 'Ey. What was that?' nodding over your shoulder to area of incident. Ball's in his court then. Leviticus 2:6 (I think)
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And eyes, get the eyes right. Kind of glower through small eye slits like you are focussed on a vulnerable spot. Then raise your chin in a momentary flash and go, 'Ey. What was that?' nodding over your shoulder to area of incident. Ball's in his court then. Leviticus 2:6 (I think)
I now try to avoid any conversation which such drivers, no point as they are likely to say something stupid that makes you feel worse about what just happened. Just try and get a nice mug shot and reg plate.
The drivers at fault, he should be making sure it is safe to attempt his manoeuvre, only mitigating factor is that those vans have huge blind spots but the driver should have been extra careful.
It is always best to ride expecting other road users to do the unexpected because of carelessness or just plain bad driving.
The drivers at fault, he should be making sure it is safe to attempt his manoeuvre, only mitigating factor is that those vans have huge blind spots but the driver should have been extra careful.
It is always best to ride expecting other road users to do the unexpected because of carelessness or just plain bad driving.
NormanD
Lunatic Asylum Escapee
- Location
- Heworth the other side of life!
Both at fault IMHO and the reason : check out the recording again at 0.14 and tell me what you see
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
Poor observation and anticipation skills....
Did the OP spot the reversing light?
I ride with the expectation that any vehicle that is moving near me or has come to a halt anywhere near me just might do the unexpected. It's kept me out of trouble for the past forty years of bicycle, car and motorcycle use.
When the weird and unexpected manoevres take place I mentally thank my mate's dad for the advice given to me to adopt the above mind set when I first took to the road on two wheels.
Panter
Just call me Chris...
- Location
- Sittingbourne, Kent
Glad you're Ok, that could've ended really nastily.
Just as well you didn't move over to the other side of the road as you'd have been hit head on by that car...
Not quite sure why the cyclist is getting so much blame here. Ok things could have been handled better, maybe, but it's very easy to judge from a PC monitor.
As a driver of a vehicle, you have a responsibility to check the coast is clear before carrying out a manouvere. I know that Transists have a large blind spot, that's why the driver should've been extra cautious.
He didn't look properly, and reveresed into the OP as a consequence.
I think the OP's response was a little hysterical but then, I have no idea just how hysterical I'd feel having just been hit by a 3.5t van.
Very, I should think...
Just as well you didn't move over to the other side of the road as you'd have been hit head on by that car...
Not quite sure why the cyclist is getting so much blame here. Ok things could have been handled better, maybe, but it's very easy to judge from a PC monitor.
As a driver of a vehicle, you have a responsibility to check the coast is clear before carrying out a manouvere. I know that Transists have a large blind spot, that's why the driver should've been extra cautious.
He didn't look properly, and reveresed into the OP as a consequence.
I think the OP's response was a little hysterical but then, I have no idea just how hysterical I'd feel having just been hit by a 3.5t van.
Very, I should think...
OP
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ACS
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Subjective?
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
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- Meanwood, Leeds
Nah. Life saving.
Because he posted the video on cyclechat to elicit opinions from others who weren't there at the time and who always ride the perfect line at 0.5mph so they can anticipate everything that may or may not happen. Oh, and they never lose their temper either, despite some other road user trying to injure/kill them.
OP
OP
ACS
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What the camera can see and what I could see, due to the low stong sunlight are two different things factor in my attention being drawn to the VW drifting towards me as it passes in the other direction my positioning is IMO in keeping with the situation as I saw it.
snorri
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- East coast, up a bit.
Perhaps you should dump the camera and just concentrate on your journey and the possible hazards along the way, it looks as if you were more intent on gathering dramatic video footage rather than cycling safely and defensively. 
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
Perhaps you should just concentrate on your journey and the possible hazards along the way cycling safely and defensively.
FTFY
OP
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ACS
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Correct.
The sole reason for having a video camera on my helmet to give me the opportunity to try and get myself knocked off my bike so I can act like a drama queen to impress my peer group.
The sole reason for having a video camera on my helmet to give me the opportunity to try and get myself knocked off my bike so I can act like a drama queen to impress my peer group.
ChrisBD
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I'm glad there was no injury; first and foremost.
IMO there is blame on both sides.
It has already been said that the driver ought to have a better idea that the OP was there. Yes he shoud; but factor in the type of vehicle and vis available, and it s easy to see why the OP was not seen. And one would expect a regular comuter to be aware of such thing.
One might also expect (as has also been said) that the OP might have used a tad more common sense; seeing the vehicle move into the space one might have slowed down slightly and taken a wider line - common sence if a vehicle is making a manouver and obviously you can't second uess his movements so you give it space until you have passed it, surely?
On th evoice front; sorry, I nearly wet myself.......
As for expecting to see that van there because the builders shop is near by, and expecting to see it parked with the door open etc (a la local knowledge); does not compute, not when the van has so clearly just turned into the parking space!
Fault on both parts; maby broken down as unfortunate victim of circumstanse for the driver (visability or lack of) and a bit of poor skills and drills on the OP's part (by the book, and the common sence approach are not the same thing).
Man-up.
IMO there is blame on both sides.
It has already been said that the driver ought to have a better idea that the OP was there. Yes he shoud; but factor in the type of vehicle and vis available, and it s easy to see why the OP was not seen. And one would expect a regular comuter to be aware of such thing.
One might also expect (as has also been said) that the OP might have used a tad more common sense; seeing the vehicle move into the space one might have slowed down slightly and taken a wider line - common sence if a vehicle is making a manouver and obviously you can't second uess his movements so you give it space until you have passed it, surely?
On th evoice front; sorry, I nearly wet myself.......
As for expecting to see that van there because the builders shop is near by, and expecting to see it parked with the door open etc (a la local knowledge); does not compute, not when the van has so clearly just turned into the parking space!
Fault on both parts; maby broken down as unfortunate victim of circumstanse for the driver (visability or lack of) and a bit of poor skills and drills on the OP's part (by the book, and the common sence approach are not the same thing).
Man-up.
OP
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The owner of the company has just been in contact with me requesting that I remove content until he has had an opportunity to speak to the driver which I have done.
St Andrews is a small community and as we contract in the company on a frequent basis to patch up our leaky roof I have no desire to pour oil.
Interesting discussion through, no mention of the drivers responsibilities under the section 176 of the Highway code which I find surprising.
Have booked both voice coaching and acting lesson and have ordered a HD camera.
If ChrisB would like to send me the bill for the cleaning of his trousers I will add to to my things to do tray.
St Andrews is a small community and as we contract in the company on a frequent basis to patch up our leaky roof I have no desire to pour oil.
Interesting discussion through, no mention of the drivers responsibilities under the section 176 of the Highway code which I find surprising.
Have booked both voice coaching and acting lesson and have ordered a HD camera.
If ChrisB would like to send me the bill for the cleaning of his trousers I will add to to my things to do tray.
snorri
Legendary Member
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- East coast, up a bit.
There is no question the van driver was at fault, several people have mentioned that, but 176 of the current Highway Code is not relevant in this case.
