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[BentMikey]

Sorry Mate I Didn't See You is all.

Top tip - google phrases like this and you can nearly always find out what they mean, and come out looking knowledgeable.

 

[Plax]

Ah, I see.
Nice tip. I'll google next time an pretend I'm super clever

 

[Crackle]

It's funny you should mention a flag. Today, driving the car on the singletrack roads here, which are quite up and down, as i came to the crest of a small hill, what do I see but an orange thing waving about. Odd, I thought and braked and as I came over the crest, there was a recumbent handtrike coming up the other side. Now I would've stopped anyway but normally you can see the top of a car at the point I was when I saw the flag but the trike was not visible at all, so in this case it certainly helped her be seen.

Brave woman, using a handtrike around here. Her husband was behind her towing a trailer with stuff, including wheelchair: Quite humbling.

I also saw another two trikes today as well at the village shop, the twin rear wheel variety. Maybe there's a convention

 

[Terminator]

Sorry Mate I Didn't See You is all.

Top tip - google phrases like this and you can nearly always find out what they mean, and come out looking knowledgeable.

I must admit I forgot what it meant and I looked it up on Google.

 

[Tynan]

of course reflectors and hiviz help, but I think lights are called for

the problem is that so many cyclists are deficient in one way or another than drivers tend to be already pissed of with them, I suspect the percentage of cyclists that use the road properly, use decent lights and observe the rules of the road is rather small

a great deal of driver's rote criticisms of cyclists tend to be true for an awful lot of cyclists

sadly

 

[Origamist]

the problem is that so many cyclists are deficient in one way or another than drivers tend to be already pissed of with them, I suspect the percentage of cyclists that use the road properly, use decent lights and observe the rules of the road is rather small

a great deal of driver's rote criticisms of cyclists tend to be true for an awful lot of cyclists

sadly

Another generalisation, different wording:

the problem is that so many motorists are deficient in one way or another that cyclists tend to be already pissed off with them, I suspect the percentage of motorists that use the road properly, use decent lights and observe the rules of the road is rather small

a great deal of cyclists' rote criticisms of motorists tend to be true for an awful lot of motorists

sadly

 

[Tynan]

absolutely, there's loads of points out there to be made that are very true

op was regarding drivers' opinions on bikes and things that formed their opinions though

I think more drivers drive well then cyclists ride though, I think more cyclists routinely jump lights and don't use lights or any sort of hi viz clothing

based on what I see on my commute through London anyway

 

[Terminator]

Seems to be a lot of Numpties about at the moment.

 

[Origamist]

absolutely, there's loads of points out there to be made that are very true

op was regarding drivers' opinions on bikes and things that formed their opinions though

I think more drivers drive well then cyclists ride though, I think more cyclists routinely jump lights and don't use lights or any sort of hi viz clothing

based on what I see on my commute through London anyway

I have never found it very fruitful to generalise about drivers' opinions of cyclists as "drivers" are not a monolithic entity...

As regards the third para you would have to clarify precisely what you mean by "well" - I can't assume you equate good driving with law-breaking, but as an overwhelming preponderance of motorists speed, I would have to disagree with you.

As for Hi-Viz, each to their own.

 

[Terminator]

As for Hi-Viz, each to their own.

What's wrong with Hi-Viz then?

It's made a lot of difference to my commute over the last ten years.

 

[Origamist]

What's wrong with Hi-Viz then?

It's made a lot of difference to my commute over the last ten years.

Nothing.

Interesting study here:

Conspicuity and bicycle crashes: preliminary findings of the Taupo Bicycle Study

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/14/1/11

 

[magnatom]

Nothing.

Interesting study here:

Conspicuity and bicycle crashes: preliminary findings of the Taupo Bicycle Study

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/14/1/11

Interesting. I don't have time to read all of this at the moment. Did they manage to account for the fact that cyclists who wear hi-viz would be more likely to be conscientious. On average I would suspect that this would be the case.

 

[Cab]

The problem with trying to analyze motorists response to cyclists is that such responses are not based merely on cyclist behaviour, they're based on cyclists being visibly 'different'. Again, I refer everyone back to the report prepared by TRL.

 

[Terminator]

Interesting. I don't have time to read all of this at the moment. Did they manage to account for the fact that cyclists who wear hi-viz would be more likely to be conscientious. On average I would suspect that this would be the case.

Dont tell BM this.

My dad told me many years ago that I should wear Hi-Viz when he was a new motorist (and I was a cyclist) as he said it's easier to spot as his eyesight wasn't the best in the world.Never used to pay attention to this advice though until I had many incidents of motorists (on my commute) not seeing me.Very rarely do I hear this now.

 

[Cab]

I often wear high viz. I do find that motorists seem to pass closer to me if conditions are good and I'm wearing fluorescent clothing; its like they're asusming I can take it or something. I think its advantageous in poor light or if there is bad visibility, otherwise I have a few doubts.