Smoke Free Generation

[Pat "5mph"]

The kids all vape anyway ! No body smokes ciggys, certainly youngsters. They vape heavily.

I was just going to post this, you beat me to it.
Aren't vapes also covered by this new legislation? I think most vapes contain tobacco.
Give it 10 years, smoking tobacco will be illegal, but smoking herbs will be totally legal

 

[cyberknight]

The kids all vape anyway ! No body smokes ciggys, certainly youngsters. They vape heavily.

The smell of some of the second hand vapour is nearly as bad as the smell of ciggies to me

 

[Dogtrousers]

I was just going to post this, you beat me to it.
Aren't vapes also covered by this new legislation? I think most vapes contain tobacco.
Give it 10 years, smoking tobacco will be illegal, but smoking herbs will be totally legal

No, vapes don't contain tobacco and this isn't about vapes. It's just tobacco (and rolling papers!) Vapes contain nicotine, but as tobacco is a natural whole plant it contains all sorts of other nasties and they are what makes smoking so bad.

Which isn't to say that vaping isn't bad. We don't really know. But it won't be bad in the same way as tobacco as it doesn't contain the carcinogens that are in the tobacco leaf.

And there will be one problem for smokers of herbs: they won't be able to buy Rizlas!

 

[farfromtheland]

Thanks Dogtrousers. No more comb and paper impro for the youth dammit.

Include vaping in the regulations.

Well this is a biggie. Inhaling propylene glycol seems problematic to me. Its available testing data is mostly as a food additive.

I'm immune vulnerable and have some breathing allergy - someone gave me a lungful of scented vape in the face last week. Been off work with inflammation and night sweats since. Just a bit too closely correlated to be unrelated.

 

[nogoodnamesleft]

The smell of some of the second hand vapour is nearly as bad as the smell of ciggies to me

For me, 2nd hand vape smells are normally far far worse. But it is an individual thing. I used to smoke and gave-up over 20 years ago yet am still fine with the smell of cigarette smoke. I've had to leave a public talk from early days of vaping where one individual was vaping and a very sickly sweet smell of something and I couldn't take it. I suspect I was not the only one as I said nothing but apparently immediately after the talk the society/club made a rule "No Vaping".

With vapes I guess there are so many different flavours and thus smells as who knows what is heated to steam ... and those doing the inhaling probably have little idea as to what they are inhaling or the long term health impacts.

Regulators don't seem interested or able or have resource to keep up with the potential health risks of whatever new flavour and compounds are being used today (and by the time they've investigated new compounds/recipies will be in people's lungs anyway).

What has really scared me (on behalf of others) is that my neighbour used to smoke then switched to vapes and little over a year later was suffering COPD. By the time they got to a consultant and were tested they were apparently down to ⅓ lung function and these days can't leave the house, struggle walking around and on several occasions ambulances have had to attend. And nobody can prove it was vapes or maybe the smoking before then? But these days I sometimes look at risk vs benefit.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Korean study of 4.5 million people.

”Alarmingly, incidents of lung cancer death among vape users nearly doubled, with a lung cancer-specific death rate 91 percent higher than non-vape users.”

 

[tyred]

I will soon be 14 years smoke free, and I don't think I could have done it without vaping. Then one day I got bored with vaping and gave that up too.

When I switched to vaping, my smoker's cough disappeared and I suddenly felt much better. I noticed no real difference when I stopped vaping.

 

[oxoman]

I've watched this thread with interest and decided I'll add my threepence worth. I work with several individuals who vape, 2 are ex smokers 20yrs plus and 2 youngsters all who vape, aside from the stench of different vapes they all have one thing in common. They are the first to go down with a cold or virus, the youngest at 21 has been referred to respiratory clinic and told to stop vaping as its damaging his lungs faster than if he smoked cigarettes. He was an aspiring junior athlete. The reason hes been given is that the vapes are full of nasty chemicals, some that are used to make them smell / taste nice are actually aggravating / damage the lungs. Whether this is fact or scaremongering or not im not sure. A few yrs agona report came out that whilst dodgy cigarettes contained nasties to bulk them out, vape juice was containing even worse chemicals, formaldehyde was one of the nastier ones. And before anyone moans, yes I did smoke, but quit very quickly many yrs ago having watched what happens when my mum was dying of lung cancer.

 

[Drago]

I quit the fag's 20 odd years ago. I wound down over a few days and then just quit. The first 72 hours werent fun, but after that it was straightforward enough. No vaping around back then (actually, I think it was around but hadn't broken into the mainstream public consciousness.)

If you really want to quit you will do so. Vaping simply prolongs a nicotine habit.

 

[Gunk]

I quit the fag's 20 odd years ago. I wound down over a few days and then just quit. The first 72 hours werent fun, but after that it was straightforward enough. No vaping around back then (actually, I think it was around but hadn't broken into the mainstream public consciousness.)

If you really want to quit you will do so. Vaping simply prolongs a nicotine habit.

I was a 20 a day smoker for years and like @Drago no patches or vapes when I stopped in the early 1990’s just horrendous cold turkey, in fact Ì was quite ill after stopping, however 30 years later so pleased Ì don‘t smoke any more, it really is a vile, disgusting habit.

 

[Dogtrousers]

One of the more amusing means of giving up that I tried in the 80s was the cider method. I was managing OK at work but the evenings were the problem. So if I found myself craving a ciggie in the evening I would walk to a relatively distant off licence (say 30 mins) and buy one bottle of cider. Walk home, and drink the cider. If that didn't do the trick then another walk to and from the offy. No cheating and going to the nearby offy, or buying multiple bottles at once.

 

[Drago]

But it won't be bad in the same way as tobacco as it doesn't contain the carcinogens that are in the tobacco leaf.

They contain a different set of carcinogens. VOC's, heavy metals, all sorts of nasties. Dodgy cheap ones from unregulated sources contain some horrific stuff.

It'll take generations to establish the full picture, but over time the discovered risks are increasing steadily. Projected forward it seems likely it'll ultimately be little safer, if any, than smoking tobacco, with one nasty set of health dangers exchanged for another.

 

[Electric_Andy]

There can't really be any policing of it, apart from at point of sale, which is better than nothing I suppose. In a number of years it will probably just become normal. And as the years go bye, legal purchasers will be older and older so hopefully they'd be less chance of them buying for younger people. That said, cigs will then become one of the easiest and most legal high value products to obtain. I can see people of a certain age just buying 200 for £140 odd, and selling them on for £170. Or people who deal other drugs will simply make cigs part of what they carry.

It's mighty hard to just ban something that is physically addictive though. So I guess this is not the worst idea. You're essentially trying to ban a much loved tradition rather than a stuff itself.

 

[MontyVeda]

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And there will be one problem for smokers of herbs: they won't be able to buy Rizlas!

these days they have vaporisers. 🤖

 

[MontyVeda]

In general, I am in favour of this. However, how does the law then treat people who smoke cigarettes which have been given to them? It would seem sensible to leave that question alone since people trying a cigarette out of curiosity to know what it felt like would not be criminalized. Time will tell if restrictions need increasing or reducing. And, of course, there is a background assumption that one should try to keep healthy if you are going to rely on the NHS. Though even that is debatable as activities such as rock climbing, motor racing and a host of other sports and activities naturally involve an increased degree of risk.

The law restricts the sale, not the consumption.
It's illegal to sell alcohol to a minor but there's no law against a 14 year old having a glass of wine with their Sunday lunch.