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Hollowtech2 chainset bargain at £399, and fit for purpose. You are overpaying for 'your' chainset @silva or using a usurious exchange rate.

Features​


  • A top-of-the-range 12-speed chainset offering the optimum balance of low weight and rigidity
  • HollowTech II hollow aluminium crank arms increase stiffness and strength while reducing mass
  • Hollow outer chainring, grants improvements in rigidity for better shifting while saving weight
  • The chainring teeth are optimised for better efficiency when used with a 12-speed chain
  • HollowTech II 24mm diameter spindle increases stiffness and efficiency
  • The spindle is designed to work seamlessly with HollowTech II bottom brackets (available separately)
  • Manufacturer claimed weight: 714 grams (175mm length, 54-40T), 692 grams (175mm length, 52-36T), 685 grams (175mm length, 50-34T)
 
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silva

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Zola ran barefoot because that was how she had run in South Africa due to being too poor to afford running shoes.
I said, and you quoted:
"If you don't believe, give Zola Budd logger boots and see what it gives..."
... I didn't ask you for the How and the Why of no shoes.
Feel Free to Donate your Zola a Free Pair of Logger Boots.
Free, Zero Euro.
Then, compare the secs Zola ran the 100 metres:
- Bare Foot
and
- With logger boots Sponsored by raleighnut.
That is where Cheating in body sports racing is about: getting an advantage NOT by body condition/technique improvement, but by an external parameter, alike making bicycles lighter, in this topic specifically: axle, cranks.
When arriving at the point everybody has the lighter mounted, the cheating ofcourse ceases, leading to the creation of a next cheat, and the story restarts.
Apparantly, as proved, thereby going so far that Safety got compromised, in all products sections and parts - crank, spider, pincher bolts area, spindle, crack crack crack crack.
 
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Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Forms of cheating:
Practicing beforehand. A true winner relies on their innate superiority.
Knowing in advance when and where the competition is. A true winner relies entirely on happenstance.
Trying. A true winner wins effortlessly.

Specifically in bicycle racing the worst forms of cheating are: bearings, lubricants and wheels.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
I said, and you quoted:
"If you don't believe, give Zola Budd logger boots and see what it gives..."
... I didn't ask you for the How and the Why of no shoes.
Feel Free to Donate your Zola a Free Pair of Logger Boots.
Free, Zero Euro.
Then, compare the secs Zola ran the 100 metres:
- Bare Foot
and
- With logger boots Sponsored by raleighnut.
That is where Cheating in body sports racing is about: getting an advantage NOT by body condition/technique improvement, but by an external parameter, alike making bicycles lighter, in this topic specifically: axle, cranks.
When arriving at the point everybody has the lighter mounted, the cheating ofcourse ceases, leading to the creation of a next cheat, and the story restarts.
Apparantly, as proved, thereby going so far that Safety got compromised, in all products sections and parts - crank, spider, pincher bolts area, spindle, crack crack crack crack.

  • Zola Budd ran middle to long distance, 3,000 metres was the shortest race she ran at the Olympics.
  • Why would anyone run in 'Logger Boots' unless a Bear was chasing them.
  • I've never even seen a 'euro' let alone had any........................We deal in Pounds Sterling here, none of this continental 'funny money' for us.
 

silva

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Forms of cheating:
Practicing beforehand. A true winner relies on their innate superiority.
Knowing in advance when and where the competition is. A true winner relies entirely on happenstance.
Trying. A true winner wins effortlessly.

Specifically in bicycle racing the worst forms of cheating are: bearings, lubricants and wheels.
According to the data in the publishment by:
DoSomething.jpg

... practiced 10 years - even longer than Shimano's 7 year itself, before admitting to Consumers that they were practising.
... worldwide 3 million Test Rabbits, with in the US alone over 4000 that Walked, 1 Leg Limped, or made an emergency call to be picked up.
Then they discovered their Test Rabbit Statute.
It's like in Watership Down by Richard Adams, the farmer that put here and there tasty leafs in order to make rabbits dig their holes on his land.
Where he then put some traps to now and then have 1 on his dish.
So now and then, a rabbit disappeared.
The boss of the colony, knew it, but liked the tasty leafs served to him, so he outlawed the words "where is".
That's what Shimano and US CPSC did.
It also lasted until too many started to ask too many questions. ;)
 

Webbo2

Über Member
According to the data in the publishment by:
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... practiced 10 years - even longer than Shimano's 7 year itself, before admitting to Consumers that they were practising.
... worldwide 3 million Test Rabbits, with in the US alone over 4000 that Walked, 1 Leg Limped, or made an emergency call to be picked up.
Then they discovered their Test Rabbit Statute.
It's like in Watership Down by Richard Adams, the farmer that put here and there tasty leafs in order to make rabbits dig their holes on his land.
Where he then put some traps to now and then have 1 on his dish.
So now and then, a rabbit disappeared.
The boss of the colony, knew it, but liked the tasty leafs served to him, so he outlawed the words "where is".
That's what Shimano and US CPSC did.
It also lasted until too many started to ask too many questions. ;)

You do know Watership down is fiction as rabbits can’t talk in real life.
 

silva

Über Member
Location
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  • Zola Budd ran middle to long distance, 3,000 metres was the shortest race she ran at the Olympics.
  • Why would anyone run in 'Logger Boots' unless a Bear was chasing them.
  • I've never even seen a 'euro' let alone had any........................We deal in Pounds Sterling here, none of this continental 'funny money' for us.
I used your own Zola Budd referral to illustrate you the should-be Captain Obvious point that reducing weight of gear on body makes it easier to win, whatever distance, since you made that another irrelevant point here.
Shimano's Hollow Technology is reducing weight of bicycle, to make it its rider easier to win.
That you needed to be told this, THAT was NOT obvious! :smile:
 

silva

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You do know Watership down is fiction as rabbits can’t talk in real life.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analogy
You do know bicycle weight cheating is a fictional physical sports win?

You're The Best Lance!
... was also a fictional, despite even physical, win.
... because the win was due to doping instead of training.

But that wasn't the point here in this topic, the point is that they went that far in it, that they put Safety at risk.
That's a No, no?

And the reason why: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7602472
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176295&start=60
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Shimano is using, by 2024 standards, and crank load, AND price, a cheap forging technique, glueing parts. That is no longer suitable to drivetrain loads, or BBs so stiff that the cranks take unprecedented loads.
...
Point is, Shimano's alloy would not pass the Auto Light Alloy testing standards. And if you can buy a 10,000 ton pressed Rays rim for 1000-1500$, 18+ lbs, (which could amount to 15-18 DA cranks) and you spend 700-1000$ for a 700 g Dura Ace Hollowtech crank, something does not add up. If Shimano was to retool and adopt proper cold forging techniques, they could make their cranks lighter, stronger, and glue/bond free. They are stuck in the past with 2.8 million and mounting recalls.
 
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Webbo2

Über Member
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analogy
You do know bicycle weight cheating is a fictional physical sports win?

You're The Best Lance!
... was also a fictional, despite even physical, win.
... because the win was due to doping instead of training.

But that wasn't the point here in this topic, the point is that they went that far in it, that they put Safety at risk.
That's a No, no?

And the reason why: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/snapped-spindle.309571/post-7602472
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176295&start=60

Have you ever ridden a bike race.
When I raced and got beaten I never put it down to folk have better and or lighter although some did. I put down to them being fitter, stronger and or having better race craft.
 
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