So... how much has your rail fare/season ticket gone up by?

[brokenflipflop]

and they should remove the subsidy to the road system and put petrol up to about £2.75/litre as well

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[mcshroom]

Sorry, I forgot the actual fuel price and delivery costs in that, make it more like £3.25

 

[brokenflipflop]

Sorry, I forgot the actual fuel price and delivery costs in that, make it more like £3.25

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !

 

[mcshroom]

 

[mcshroom]

If you notice I haven't included the fuel taxation in the fuel cost I quoted above.

Fuel duties bring in about £20bn a year, but the entire road network costs about £80bn a year.

 

[brokenflipflop]

Car Tax...you need to factor in car tax

 

[mcshroom]

You mean I don't pay for road tax when i get the shiny disk thingy then

 

[Bigsharn]

But York-Manchester return (TPE)* has gone up - see my post above!

I wouldn't care how old the rolling stock was, if I got a seat more than 50% of the time. They don't need newer trains, they just longer ones!

In fact I recently travelled by Grand Central on an elderly HST (1980's?) and it was glorious. More legroom than I could fill, and those door you have open by sticking your head out of the window.

Is there a York-Manc service that isn't TPE? I haven't found one around the time I need to travel.

There's Northern (York-Blackpool train, change at Leeds for Man Victoria), but the service I'm on about is TPE.

£25.40 return, or two singles is £22 provided you book 2 days in advance and you're travelling offpeak, or it goes down to £19 for two singles if you book a week in advance

A fortnight ago the same ticket cost me £26.40 for an off-peak day return (booked in advance or otherwise)

 

[mcshroom]

It's quite an old paper (1996) but the link is here

 

[GrumpyGregry]

[QUOTE 1664825, member: 9609"]They should remove the subsidies completely and put your monthly up to its true price of about £300.[/quote]
I agree. I'm interested in regional and route related variations in pricing.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I commute in my Audi Q7 4.2 DTI Quattro S Line

How does that work when "the missus takes the kids round the corner to school in it every day?

 

[Arch]

There's Northern (York-Blackpool train, change at Leeds for Man Victoria), but the service I'm on about is TPE.

£25.40 return, or two singles is £22 provided you book 2 days in advance and you're travelling offpeak, or it goes down to £19 for two singles if you book a week in advance

A fortnight ago the same ticket cost me £26.40 for an off-peak day return (booked in advance or otherwise)

Trouble is, I can't always be sure which train I'll get, depends if I can get out of work a bit early etc. So I'm stuck with the walk-up fare.

Changing at Leeds is just too much faff - esp given that when I travel (out at peak time Friday), Leeds seems packed, the prospect of of getting myself, a weekend bag and a Brom between trains is just too much!

I don't begrudge the fare - except that the trains are so often packed solid. Apparently it's too complicated for TPE to double up the trains (they used to be double, but were cut down some months back). So there are two trainsworth of people, on one train. If I could be sure of a seat, £25.40 seems reasonable.

I could drive, for less fuel cost (of course, I know there are other costs to add in), but for the small matter of not having a car....

 

[snorri]

I've just lashed out over £200 for a return to London, but is does include breakfast in bed en route.

 

[mcshroom]

I wouldn't go fully on one report - indeed if you read the net you get anything from cars paying 3 times what they recieve through to being subsidised to a level of more than 5 times their revenue generation. It boils down to which external costs you add in.

The big thimg round here in Cumbria is the number of small, low traffic roads that still need maintenance.

 

[Noodley]

Trains are there for one reason - to transport people who choose to work in cities from their out-of-city-homes to the city...the countryside (the proper countryside, not 'the suburbs') has been forgotten.