Sorry mate it's not safe for me to signal.

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If so, can you look over your shoulder at 25mph and signal at the same time?

Yes.

However, exactly as you say there are some circumstances when it's not safe or easy to signal. I would suggest a good element of that is whether you personally feel it's safe - if you don't, then it's not.

You risk assessed it, made an educated choice, and had the alternative option ready. Keep song what you are doing.
 
Motorists are quite good when they see a cyclist on the left turning lane and do give way when the cyclist wants to go straight. Just by turning and looking at the motorists is a signal by itself. Anyway each situation is different, sometimes I have little choice and turn left and then re-route again. OP's approach is fine.
 
Must be me! Don't understand what the problem is. Watched vid and read posts. Why is it a problem to signal? As some have said, slow down, if you are so out of control that you can't signal, then, that is just bad riding. How is looking over shoulder, indicating, then changing position, so difficult?
 

sidevalve

Über Member
Just because some motorists don't bother to signal does that make it ok ? If you’re going too fast to signal and there is no other serious problem such as a very bad road surface or very high winds then yes you are going too fast just as the motorist who bleats 'oh it wasn't my fault I skidded into you - I just couldn't stop in time'!??!
Officially you were in the wrong lane for going straight on - you knew this and therefore you should have been ready to make 100% sure you could get to where you wanted [or ought] to be and if that meant slowing down then so be it. After all would it have added SO much to your journey time - really ?
 

Steady

Veteran
Location
Derby
I've only ever had one "you could have signalled" issue where I felt unsafe to signal. The driver gave me some verbal abuse, but it I felt I had more reason to feel aggrieved than he.

It was a park car park, it was pretty predictable I "could" be turning in as it's a cycling route etc, well known amongst the dog walkers who drive there. The car park has two "accesses" and I've always assumed that they should work much the same way junctions do. One for in, one for out. When I drive there its what I do, because it's obvious it's set up that way to be honest, unfortunately no signs stating that.

This driver was coming out of the "access" that i would consider entrance only. The view of the road is heavily obstructed so I made no signal because it seems pointless and concentrated on being defensive instead, hands on brakes prepared not to be seen etc. Each other was seen so I proceeded to keep hands on the bars and turn in as it's over a dropped kerb, drain is subsiding, a bit pot holed etc I didn't give any signal at that point either, and as passing the driver decided to give some mouth. I don't see why as I didn't turn sharply from the gutter, position was always indicating I'm this far over on the road "for a reason" etc.

The only reason for any verbal is that driver couldn't inch out as he could if I was going straight out, like typical drivers who can't wait until you pass. Or I suppose if he knew I was turning in, he would have shot out in front of me which is another issue with signalling.

If I'd been in the drivers position, I wouldn't have felt any reason to feel aggrieved, so I never saw what the fuss was.

I don't often feel like talking to drivers, but this was one of those occasions where i wouldn't have minded, but I didn't bother.

As for when I'm traveling at traffic speed, I feel like I actually have more time and space because I'm not constantly looking over my shoulder for cars to 'near instantly' over take, and my area becomes more 'mine'.
 
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spen666

Legendary Member
Oh sorry, was my 25mph too fast on the 30 mph road?

10 mph can be too fast on a road irrespective of speed limit

Note that, its a limit, not a target


What is a safe or appropriate speed depends on all the factors, including ( but not limited to) weather, road surface, traffic volumes, state of your transport etc
 
10 mph can be too fast on a road irrespective of speed limit

Note that, its a limit, not a target


What is a safe or appropriate speed depends on all the factors, including ( but not limited to) weather, road surface, traffic volumes, state of your transport etc

Even if it takes time and effort it important that we split hairs. I don't leave home until I am clear in my mind what the target speed should be. It is also important that besides volumes, road surface etc the grass ambient temp has an effect on wind flow similar to a cricket ball turning due to humidity present.

To keep in perspective that it refers to left turning lane.
 
I dont always signal, I tend to rely on road position, looking, adjusting my speed and slotting into a gap, perhaps only signalling briefly and some times not at all. Occasionally that doesn't work/ there isn't always a gap and I have to lower my speed further and signal more prominently.
 

jnrmczip

Senior Member
Location
glasgow
Maybe some of these required ??
 

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Sara_H

Guru
Part of my route to work is a badly pot holed steep downhill that I have to turn right off.

I often find it doesn''t feel safe to let go to signal, I have stuck my leg out before, but I don't think drivers get that, so I often end up pulling over, waiting for traffic to pass and then crossing.
 

andyfraser

Über Member
Location
Bristol
The one problem with bikes is you need one hand for each of the brakes and depending on your gears you'll need one or two hands to operate those. Gears can be mitigated by changing down ahead of time but a right turn off of a steep hill can be tricky trying to signal and brake.

There are two roundabouts where I'm signally left to come off onto a main road, changing up gears with my right hand and holding everything together while dodging potholes but I think I've go that covered now.

I find it easier to signal on my road bike than my hybrid. I think I feel more comfortable and more stable in a more laid forward position.

It's much easier signalling on my fixed gear than the others where I don't have to worry about gears and only need my front brake if I have to stop quickly.
 

andyfraser

Über Member
Location
Bristol
Part of my route to work is a badly pot holed steep downhill that I have to turn right off.

I often find it doesn''t feel safe to let go to signal, I have stuck my leg out before, but I don't think drivers get that, so I often end up pulling over, waiting for traffic to pass and then crossing.
That reminds me of a roundabout near my house. I have to go right there. My choices are go over the surface of the moon, hang on for dear life and signal or go to the very right of the lane and signal. I tend to choose the latter after a van wanting to go left ended up on my right hand side because they didn't understand what I was doing being over on the right (the lane gets very wide just before the roundabout).
 
Eye contact , head movement and road positioning are key.
I can remember 2 occasions when drivers ignored clear hand signals.
One OVERTOOK me in heavy, slow A road traffic, on a blind bend, after I signalled Right.
Another UNDERTOOK me after a clear Left hand signal as I slowed down to turn left, swinging right to account for camber, slope of sideroad, and speed bump.
I never rely on hand signals and I hardly ever signal Left unless there is a safety reason.
 

gottogetfit

Active Member
Location
North Yorkshire
Cycling home from work, a section of the of road I ride down has a left turn only lane, witch also has it's own left turn filter at the traffic lights. This makes it a bad option to use the left turn only lane to go straight ahead. (If I know a road and it's layout, it's sometimes safer to use the left turn only lane to go straight ahead when cycling, in my opinion) due to the school holidays the traffic was lighter than I am use to on this section of road witch is slightly down hill. I was in the left turn lane so I knew I needed to change up lane to go straight ahead at the traffic lights. I was doing 25mph whitch I can't manage often & am not use to, as I ride a slow fat-tire mountain bike (Cube Attention 29) I did not feel it was safe to signal my lane change even tho there was cars in both lanes behind me.

After looking over my right shoulder the good drivers behind me worked out that I wanted to move to the right lane & slowed and let me in. Thanks good drivers (if there was no gap I would have stayed in the left lane and turned left, then stop in a safe place to re-route)

Sorry to babble on, but do road bike cyclists ever find themselves in this situation? Road bike cyclists are almost always faster than me and 25 mph is the norm to them. Can you still signal at that speed? If so, can you look over your shoulder at 25mph and signal at the same time?

Edit = adding 25 second video of my lane change

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybprsRKNXgI&feature=youtu.be

You should give a signal where necessary where it would benefit other road users and allow then to develop there road plan. If you can't do this then you are traveling too fast for the conditions. Eye contact alone could mean anything.
 

Dirk

If 6 Was 9
Location
Watchet
I always give a signal if it is necessary.
Anyone with half decent bike handling skills should be able to plan accordingly and let other road users know what they intend to do.
 
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