SPITFIRE !!!

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Mike5537

Active Member
I remember being at lands end for an air show when I was about 11 or 12 and a Vulcan flew overhead with the bomb doors open at what must have been no more than 250 feet and the noise made me crouch down from just the intensity, the red arrows flew over straight away afterwards but seemed to be in silence cause I couldnt hear anything then after the mighty vulcan!

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Mad Doug Biker

Master of disaster!
Location
Craggy Island
I think it's the same deal for the Lancaster, to be fair - the Lanc gets all the glory because it's still flying. Very few people think of the Wellington, Whitley, Hampden, Halifax or Stirling.

Yes, and my Great Uncle Hugh was killed in a 'Wimpy' (Wellington) over Berlin in 1940. Yet another bit of the war people forget.


Different, I know, but I remember hearing a story of a guy from Edinburgh who had ended up in a Japanese POW camp. He helped to build the famous railway, endured all of the hardships, saw his friends die, etc. When he got back home, all he got from people was how tough it had been in Edinburgh because they didn't have things like bacon, and nobody cared about his story, nobody wanted to know.

I can see why that would drive you mad, he probably would have killed for what the people of Edinburgh DID get during the war!
 

swee'pea99

Squire
It might have been the glamour plane, but it was the Hurricane that did most of the work, took the brunt of the losses, and REALLY kept Britain from being invaded in 1940. Why the fcuk has this fact all but been erased from the history books? I just do not understand.

Because the Spitfire is beautiful. Next!

The most amazing flying I ever saw, in the flesh, was at an air show off Southend cliffs a few years back, when a Harrier Jump Jet came and hovered directly in front of us - absolutely thunderous, bone-melting noise - then swiveled its engines slowly, and started flying backwards and up, before briefly hovering again, then taking off forward at full throttle - 0-600 in four seconds sort of thing. Staggering.
 

Mad Doug Biker

Master of disaster!
Location
Craggy Island
Because the Spitfire is beautiful. Next!

They aren't THAT amazing.

The most amazing flying I ever saw, in the flesh, was at an air show off Southend cliffs a few years back, when a Harrier Jump Jet came and hovered directly in front of us - absolutely thunderous, bone-melting noise - then swiveled its engines slowly, and started flying backwards and up, before briefly hovering again, then taking off forward at full throttle - 0-600 in four seconds sort of thing. Staggering.

I've seen harriers hovering before and yes, I agree.
 

Mad Doug Biker

Master of disaster!
Location
Craggy Island
Regarding my Great Uncle Hugh, nobody had visited the grave in Berlin for many years which was kind of sad. I have visited twice since then so far, and personally, it is more than high time that the men and woman of Bomber Command finally get their Campaign Medals. It wasn't their fault, they were just following orders, and Uncle Hugh was killed a good 4 or 5 years before Dresden et al!

He's buried with the rest of the crew, and, just like the war commission graveyards around the world, everything is immaculate!


We tried to find out what had happened to them, but we never got any info back from the RAF, which was irritating.
 
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Squire
Location
Peterborough
I suppose there's so many reasons a particular aircraft stick out against its contemporaries, fairly or unfairly depending on your point of view.
Some aircraft became 'dead ends' in development, some reached the peak of their ability rather quickly (and nevertheless performed well and for a long time), or perhaps were obsolete before they even reached operational duties (such as the Whitley).
Some of course were derived from hugely popular, romantic and prestigious racing aircraft, like the world beating Supermarines that ultimately inspired the Spitfire. That whole era was probably rooted into people psyche, and perhaps carried on into the future to us.
Thats not to say anyone who flew in other aircraft deserve any less regard, of course not...

But look at some of the facts...
Spitfire, developed from something so popular and well known, uprated throughout its entire operational life, continually faster, more powerful, developed into many roles from ground attack to sea duties (which co-incidentally, the Hurricane did as well), developed in the early 30s, (about the same time as the Hurricane) built well into the late 40s and operational into the 1950s. An immensly capable aircraft, the important fact was it was perhaps overengineered in the first place, allowing it to adapt and be uprated long into its life. I remember reading someone remarked early in its life how 'deep the wing cord was' (whatever that means), but it appeared to be a critical design neccessity for its future development. Whether they saw the implications of that at the time or not, it doesnt explain. I guess the fact it was mentioned inferred it was critical.
There were so many subsequent variants , that simply indicates its ability and popularity. And of course...its stunningly beautiful.

The Lancaster was such a huge leap compared to its contemporaries, and again had the features that allowed it to be uprated and evolve long into the future, to become the Avro Lincoln and eventually the Shackleton (which i can remember seeing in an operational role regularly when i was a kid.)

They had long distinguished lives, they were there to be seen for so much longer than others, perhaps thats partly why they are rooted in peoples minds.

All that said, every aircraft, whatever its make, was special to its crew. Dad was an aviation artist who did a lot of commision work for ex servicemen who wanted to see the aircraft they flew on canvas, he did everything from Lancasters to Spitfires, from Avro Ansons to EE Lightnings, from Chipmunk trainers to the cumbersome and ugly Blackburn Beverleys, every concievable make.
He always said, every one of them is special to the people that flew them...and i guess, every person that flew in them was special too....but inevitably, some aircraft just stick in peoples psyche.
 
My favourite was Concorde - never tired of watching it fly over and had the privilege of flying it a few times. Pure vandalism when BA refused to sell them to Virgin and instead made sure they could never fly again.


Although Richard Branson tried to get some publicity in 2003 by offering to buy them off BA, it was purely done for his publicity purposes, as what actually stopped them flying was Airbus, who refused to continue to provide technical support for the aircraft.
 

Paulus

Started young, and still going.
Location
Barnet,
I work at Ruislip railway depot right next to RAF Northolt, so we get all the royal fly past aircraft right over the top of our building. Last year the station commander was killed whilst cycling home from duty on the A40. The fly past for the commander was a lone Spitfire, the pilot put on a great display including barrel rolls, low level high high speed passes across the airfield and banking to the left and right whilst climbing. It was wonderful to see a Spit. at speed, the noise was tremendous. I came over all unneccesary at one point.
 

sunnyjim

Senior Member
Location
Edinburgh
Because the Spitfire is beautiful. Next!

The most amazing flying I ever saw, in the flesh, was at an air show off Southend cliffs a few years back, when a Harrier Jump Jet came and hovered directly in front of us - absolutely thunderous, bone-melting noise - then swiveled its engines slowly, and started flying backwards and up, before briefly hovering again, then taking off forward at full throttle - 0-600 in four seconds sort of thing. Staggering.

I worked at Dunsfold aerodrome for a spell in the 70's. Apart from various practice display routines and the opportunity to sit (on the ground..) in one, a highlight was a Harrier hovering about 5 feet off the ground and nosing up to the window of our office/ nissen hut.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
I worked at Dunsfold aerodrome for a spell in the 70's. Apart from various practice display routines and the opportunity to sit (on the ground..) in one, a highlight was a Harrier hovering about 5 feet off the ground and nosing up to the window of our office/ nissen hut.

Fab!

A few years back, I used to go out to Elvington for the airshow, if you cycled out you could stop on the verge for nothing and get a free show. Near where we sat was a small stand of trees, and the Harrier did fly over the show, and disappeared beyond these trees.

<pause>

Harrier emerged, vertically, from behind the trees, having turned round and crept back at low level. The noise!

I like it when they do a bow to the crowd.
 
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