Sportive entry fees - RIP OFF !

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Ron Keegan

Active Member
Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute. Ventoux50 expressed his opinion, which he is perfectly entitled to do on a public forum. He also asked a few questions about who makes the wedge out of sportives. Why shouldn't he ask about something that is puzzling him?



The result of the statement and the question has brought varying responses, a balanced range of devotees and haters.



Cyclists don't spend wodges of cash AND EXPECT to shell out further on 'green fees', as their 'green' is the Queen's highway, which within their council tax, they have already paid to use.



Also, I assure you there are thousands of footy fans ( many more than cyclists ) who buy the team replicas and NEVER go to watch a match.



You could have used the simile of the Angler who buys a £3000 Roach Pole and declines to pay the Nat Rivers Auth' or Brit Waterways rod licence fee. If he fishes without the licences, he's poaching.

If a cyclist rides his bike on the road without paying the Sportive fee, he's enjoying a nice ride in the countryside where loads of other cyclists are riding in what seems to be quite a hurry.
So he might join in for the craic.

Wow !!!

And there was I thinking I'd made a reasonable few points about RIP OFFS v Value For Money.

Hey ho, guess I'll just have to do a little more considered study before expressing an opinion, just in case I upset anybody.

At least I'm not hiding behind a pseudonym.

Cheers
 

Fran143

Über Member
Location
Ayrshire
Wow !!!

And there was I thinking I'd made a reasonable few points about RIP OFFS v Value For Money.

Hey ho, guess I'll just have to do a little more considered study before expressing an opinion, just in case I upset anybody.

At least I'm not hiding behind a pseudonym.

Cheers


I think you made a good few points so bu**er the considered study......an opinion should be just that!:thumbsup:
 

Chrisz

Über Member
Location
Sittingbourne
Some great points made but - at the end of the day, Sportives charge the "going rate". We pay them, often events sell out in a matter of days so the demand for this type of event is obvious (whether we like them or not!).

There are some events that are great and others that aren't. Same as most "products" - some are good, some are carp!

Personally I still (despite 8 pages of posts) fail to see the "rip-off" factor.
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
Wow !!!

And there was I thinking I'd made a reasonable few points about RIP OFFS v Value For Money.

Hey ho, guess I'll just have to do a little more considered study before expressing an opinion, just in case I upset anybody.

At least I'm not hiding behind a pseudonym.

Cheers

Your low number of posts on this forum gave the definite impression you had Googled the names of your Sportives to see where and who was talking about them.
"There is no such thing as bad publicity" the saying goes, and in my view ( Me ONLY ) your sudden intervention into the thread with a "How dare they call Sportive prices a 'RIP OFF', ", was begging for a reply to say "We have free speech here."

As a simile, stand outside the exit of a pop concert and ask the leaving crowds what they thought. The answers will be "Fantastic", "Marvellous" and "Brilliant".
Those are the people who payed to see their favourite band. They are a low percentage of the population and the other 99.99% of the people in the country who have listened to the band on the radio won't give a toss or they will even tell you the band is crap.

If you ask finishers of a Sportive if they enjoyed it, they will answer you "Yes". Of course they will but there is another 99.99% of the cycling population who don't give a toss or will tell you Sportives are crap.

A few members here think sportives are crap. A small sample of the other 99.99%.

Cool down Ron. I work for a company who make sports cars. No one at Jaguar goes on internet forums and blasts members of that forum if they say "Jaguars are a RIP OFF".

The Sportives you mention will be oversubscribed and more Sportives will come into being in the next few years, and prices will drop when they reach saturation point, if not before.

Criticism didn't hurt anyone. Jaguar Cars are conituously being criticised. Its how we find out what the customers want and how to make the cars better in the future.

Sportive organisers could do the same and take these comments away and contemplate their customers 'wish lists'.
 
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ventoux50

ventoux50

Active Member
How depressing to see this topic - Sportive entry fees - RIP OFF! - continually near the top of the threads.

In my informed opinion, it's a title which could hughely damage the development of a cycling discipline now enjoyed by thousands.

Why is it that some, who willingly spend large sums to equip themselves to cycle, baulk at the entry fee for an event?

Personally, I believe there are probably very few sportive organisers who deliberately set out to rip people off.
Sportives are still relatively young and we all need a little time to find the level. A good start may be if standards were set by a controlling body. I hear British Cycling are working on an event grading system.

My two organisational involvements are The Dartmoor Classic and The Exmoor Beast. The first is run by a cycling club while the other is staged by an events management company. The motivation behind both events is the same. Firstly to put on a great event that people are happy to enter and secondly to return a financial surplus. In the case of the "Classic" the money raised helps support the Mid-Devon Cycling Club and also allows donations to be made to good causes. For "The Beast" a fair profit is expected for a commercial commitment.

you pays yer money and yer takes yer choice !

The phenominal growth of U.K. sportives has to be good for the well being of the individuals who ride them, the health of the nation and a benefit to the environment. So, let's not kill them off, before ithey has a chance to fully mature, by headlines like RIP OFF!

Now I'm off to start another thread - BEST VALUE FOR MONEY BRITISH SPORTIVES - care to join me?

Cheers
Ron Keegan

Poor old Ron, taking this as a personal attack on your involvement in organising sportives !

Unfortunately when I posted this thread I had no idea I was likely to insult you so much - for that I apologise.
:smooch:


Howerer, matey, as has been pointed out to you, this is a public forum where members of the forum are allowed to express opinions and comments thereon.

Why then do you find this particular thread depressing ? is it because you genuinely want to see sportive rides expanding year by year, or is it that you are afraid that once the seed of thought is planted that we might be paying too much - people might actually stay away from your events ?

Just how exactly, (in your informed opinion) is this itsy bitsy thread going to damage the development of sportive riding.........not exactly front page news on the dailies is it ?

The reason why some people baulk at high entry fees (even if they ride a £7k bike) is because like it or not, some entry fees ARE too high. The ownership of a Ferrari doesn't mean you should by necessity attend all Grands Prix does it ?

Your 'belief' that there are very few organisers who set out to rip people off implies that you must believe that there are a number who would do so. (doesn't really back up your argument very well that one).


As for BC becoming involved in the regulation of sp[ortives - great, just wait to see what a horlicks they make of that !

Dartmoor Classic versus Exmoor Beast - different animals I would suggest, one run by and for the benefit of a club and charities, the other to return a fair profit for commercial commitment - I would imagine the latter might fall into the category of event which prompted me to post the op.
Quite honestly I would think that if the recipients of the profits from these events were primarily cycling clubs and/or charities then there would be less 'protest' at the high entry fees.


I'm not trying to kill off sportive riding, au contraire Rodney - I believe that forums such as this ignite public (cycling) debate into such matters and as such become part of the regulatory process which allows all of us to enjoy the sport. If that scares you then that suggests to me that you would rather we were all kept in the dark, didn't question where the money goes - therefore allowing organisers to continue to increase entry fees unopposed.

If thats upset you - - - tough !
 

Kestevan

Last of the Summer Winos
Location
Holmfirth.
"If that scares you then that suggests to me that you would rather we were all kept in the dark, didn't question where the money goes - therefore allowing organisers to continue to increase entry fees unopposed."

It doesn't matter a damn "where" the money goes. All sportives can be treated as commercial ventures.

Like offering any product for sale the organisers have to walk the line between siupply and demand. The prices will continue to rise as long as the demand is there. At some point entrants will decide that for any given event the price is too high for the services offered and demand will stagnate.

Nobodies forcing you to take part in sportives. If you don't think the outlay is worth it then don't take part or find a cheaper alternative. This may be a different sportive provider, an Audax or a ride with mates on a Sunday morning.

Personally I'll still ride a couple of sportives a year. I will however pick and choose the ones I wish to enter based on location/services and yes cost.
 

ferret fur

Well-Known Member
Location
Roseburn
If that scares you then that suggests to me that you would rather we were all kept in the dark, didn't question where the money goes

Actually. It doesn't matter at all to me where the money goes.

If I want to donate to charity... I'll make a donation to charity. If I want to pay money for a bike event, then that is what I'm paying for. In fact I slightly resent being forced to pay money to a charity which may not be one I necessarily want to support in order to enter a sportive. When it comes down to it, I'll make the choice as to whether I enter based on what it offers me for the money. I've been to some very cheap events which frankly weren't worth paying anything for (but that's ok it's for charidee). On the other hand, the Etape Caledonia for example, although fearsomely expensive was -for me- well worth the money.
 

Ron Keegan

Active Member
Hi all, my multiple responses to yesterday's and one of today's posts are:-

  1. Thanks Fran143 for acknowledging I "made a few good points."
  2. Thanks also Chrisz for what appears to some support by stating you "fail to see the "rip-off" faxctor."
  3. Jamboalee makes some good points but, the opening statement - and percieved impression - regarding my low number of posts is incorrect. I've been a viewer of CycleChat for some time but never felt the need to join in before.
  4. ventoux50's first of three postings yesterday say a great deal - I'm just not quite sure what.
  5. dellzegg. How - and what - have I managed to put you off for life? Please don't stop organising.
  6. Kestevan - well said.
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
Hi all, my multiple responses to yesterday's and one of today's posts are:-

  1. Thanks Fran143 for acknowledging I "made a few good points."
  2. Thanks also Chrisz for what appears to some support by stating you "fail to see the "rip-off" faxctor."
  3. Jamboalee makes some good points but, the opening statement - and percieved impression - regarding my low number of posts is incorrect. I've been a viewer of CycleChat for some time but never felt the need to join in before.
  4. ventoux50's first of three postings yesterday say a great deal - I'm just not quite sure what.
  5. dellzegg. How - and what - have I managed to put you off for life? Please don't stop organising.
  6. Kestevan - well said.

Thanks Ron.

Now go and prioritise the TGWs ( Things Gone Wrong ) from the CCs ( Customer Comments ) that make members here and elsewhere think Sportives are "A RIP OFF!" and stop them going on Sportives.

Come up with some 'Temporary corrective actions' and post them back for comment.
Then put into place the 'Permanent remedial solutions' which we agree with.

No. 1 TGW "Too expensive".
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
Thanks Ron.

Now go and prioritise the TGWs ( Things Gone Wrong ) from the CCs ( Customer Comments ) that make members here and elsewhere think Sportives are "A RIP OFF!" and don't go on Sportives.

Come up with some 'Temprary corrective actions' and post them back for comment.
Then put into place the 'Permanent remedial solutions' which we agree with.

No. 1 TGW "Too expensive".


The problem, CycleChatters, is as long as cyclists over-subcribe Sportives, the Sportives that are organised by commercial organisations will continue to rise in price.

They will NOT listen to a dozen or so forum members who voice a grievance.


Inversally, of all the members of the eight or so Cycle clubs around Birmingham, I can only think of Philip Whiteman and myself who contribute on this chatboard. The several hundred other club riders around Birmingham have probably never heard of CycleChat. I may be wrong but what is said here won't effect Sportive attendance.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
  1. dellzegg. How - and what - have I managed to put you off for life? Please don't stop organising.
it's dellzeqq, and the patronising tone in both posts doesn't help. And the rides I organise will be going from strength to strength when the sportive thing has been and gone
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
Too many people appear to be confusing the idea of the sportive with its current popularity and commercial exploitation. Sportives have been around a long time and they will continue to be around if and when the current wave of enthusiasm dies down.

And much as I decry the commercialisation of sportives, I note that some people here seem to simply resent the fact that other cyclists enjoy a different kind of cycling to them, or indeed that cycling in Britain is growing, diversitfying and attracting more people, many of whom have apparently not 'served their time' as hardened commuters, audaxers or track riders.

There's no need to put up one kind of great cycling experience (like dell's FNRttCs) against another (like sportives). If there are problems with any individual kind of cycling, let's just deal with those issues in themselves and avoid the tendency to one-upmanship and 'my event is better than yours'.
 
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