Nasty lefthooking this morning as I was cycling through Woolwich. Myself and the cycle in front were in the cycle lane and both stopped at the lights. As we pulled away the cyclist in front was left hooked by the bus. Very impatient and arrogant driving by the Bus. Worth reporting?
Stagecoach bus left hooking
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Nope, crap cycling by both. If you know there is a bus stop after the junction, stay back. The bus was in front, you filtered up the inside. Stupid, it's a big vehicle.
Cyclists totally at fault. Numpties.
Cyclists totally at fault. Numpties.
Hawk
Veteran
- Location
- Glasgow Southside
Filtering down the left of a large vehicle is never a good move I feel. It is even more dangerous when it can reasonably be expected to turn left (i.e bus stop ahead). You could have waited behind the bus (if you knew these were pedestrian lights which don't stay red for very long) or filtered between the lanes (to the bus's right). There was a good chance the driver wouldn't see you in such a situation and you put yourself (or rather the cycle lane provided puts you) at risk.
HLaB
Marie Attoinette Fan
Bus stop immediately after the lights is a big indication that the bus might do such a thing and both cyclists would have been better to hold back. The bus driving did seem to be aggressive in response to the cyclist but folk would have still been better to hold back.
If you know there is a bus stop ahead. But if you don't? I have to admit that I generally avoid filtering up the left of large vehicles, but in this case both myself and the cyclist in front were in a cycle lane. Anyway lesson learnt for me. But I still think the bus driver was at fault. Particularly as the leading cyclist was in front of the bus when they pulled away from the lights.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Stupid mistake from you both. Really dangerous unless you really know the road layout and you have the power to out run a bus, neither of you did.
If you don't know then don't filter, simple. It's a big vehicle, and it can kill you as the drivers really don't have good vision in these. All road users should be sensible, and To be frank, many cyclists are tools. I've seen to many good cyclists hit by silly drivers to show any sympathy for silly cyclists.
Please learn and don't play with big vehicles.
If you don't know then don't filter, simple. It's a big vehicle, and it can kill you as the drivers really don't have good vision in these. All road users should be sensible, and To be frank, many cyclists are tools. I've seen to many good cyclists hit by silly drivers to show any sympathy for silly cyclists.
Please learn and don't play with big vehicles.
HLaB
Marie Attoinette Fan
That's the problem with Farcilities like cycle lanes and ASL's they often guide cyclists to where they really shouldn't be! At least no one was hurt and lessons have been learnt.
Hawk
Veteran
- Location
- Glasgow Southside
I feel the flowcharts in this article apply to filtering to the front of a traffic queue (whether there's an ASL present or not):
http://www.magnatom.net/2012/01/advanced-stop-lines-spawn-of-satan.html
Feeling the cycle lanes give you more rights on the road is a mistake, the opposite is in fact true. They prompt you to do silly things like pass down the inside of large vehicles where you might otherwise have done something more sensible. Remember the different colour of road surface wont be much help in a collision with a large vehicle.
http://www.magnatom.net/2012/01/advanced-stop-lines-spawn-of-satan.html
Feeling the cycle lanes give you more rights on the road is a mistake, the opposite is in fact true. They prompt you to do silly things like pass down the inside of large vehicles where you might otherwise have done something more sensible. Remember the different colour of road surface wont be much help in a collision with a large vehicle.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Sorry OP, but you will get a battering for this unless you accept views. Don't filter down a big vehicle unless you are sure it won't move. That's a biggy, even a silly cycle lane is no good.
Boris Bajic
Guest
I'm afraid I'm with the above replies. I am a terrible chancer when riding in London, but when it goes badly it's my fault. After a move like that, I'd grin sheepishly and swear not to do it again, until the next time. I wouldn't film myself telling a driver I was filming him ignoring me.
Going up the inside of a bus is often a poor move.
Also, the cyclist was doing so on zig-zag markings. I confess to not knowing whether it is verboten for cyclists, but certainly motor vehicles are not permitted to pass a stationary vehicle in the zig-zags on an approach to a crossing.
The driver wasn't being aggressive in closing the window. It is not unlikely that he didn't want to be preached to by someone who was only going to prove his very slight acquaintance with the rules.
Just as I am convinced that many drivers would be better road users if they tried riding a bicycle, I am convinced that cyclists who spent an hour or two driving HGVs and buses around city streets would be better road users.
Full marks for having the guts to ask for comment, but that one is more a lesson to the cyclists than the driver.
Going up the inside of a bus is often a poor move.
Also, the cyclist was doing so on zig-zag markings. I confess to not knowing whether it is verboten for cyclists, but certainly motor vehicles are not permitted to pass a stationary vehicle in the zig-zags on an approach to a crossing.
The driver wasn't being aggressive in closing the window. It is not unlikely that he didn't want to be preached to by someone who was only going to prove his very slight acquaintance with the rules.
Just as I am convinced that many drivers would be better road users if they tried riding a bicycle, I am convinced that cyclists who spent an hour or two driving HGVs and buses around city streets would be better road users.
Full marks for having the guts to ask for comment, but that one is more a lesson to the cyclists than the driver.
Mushroomgodmat
Über Member
- Location
- Norwich
Both at fault surly?
Filtering on the inside is mistake (though not illegal)
Cutting into a cycle lane when the bus driver knows there are cyclists there even more a mistake.. And probably a valid case of not driving with due care and attention?
Filtering on the inside is mistake (though not illegal)
Cutting into a cycle lane when the bus driver knows there are cyclists there even more a mistake.. And probably a valid case of not driving with due care and attention?
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Simple, don't hiss about with a big vehicle. Cycle farcility or not, ignore the paint, fortunately the painted lines in Manchester land are really rubbish.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
Poor filtering from both cyclists.
Poor driving from the bus driver.
The bus driver should be aware of such issues and be prepared to take action to avoid causing a collision, the driver could have been less aggressive and his slide of the window as soon as you approached showed that he quite clearly didn't care.
As cyclists we should be aware of potential dangers and try to avoid putting our selves in a situation where we might come into conflict. This includes filtering to the front when we can't power away from vehicles, not filtering next to large vehicles etc...
Poor driving from the bus driver.
The bus driver should be aware of such issues and be prepared to take action to avoid causing a collision, the driver could have been less aggressive and his slide of the window as soon as you approached showed that he quite clearly didn't care.
As cyclists we should be aware of potential dangers and try to avoid putting our selves in a situation where we might come into conflict. This includes filtering to the front when we can't power away from vehicles, not filtering next to large vehicles etc...
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
I'm with Mushroomgodmat and Gaz on this one. I wouldn't report it either, I'd just learn from it and do better myself next time.
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I agree with the others, poor cycling by both cyclists, you shouldn't be filtering up the left of a large vehicle.
