Stop and Search

[mustang1]

I guess that guy wasn't immediately identifiable as a cop.

 

[Brandane]

Used to live in Greenock for a bit myself and can picture exactly the type you'd target.

Shooting fish in a barrel springs to mind!

 

[pplpilot]

The only time I have ever been stopped, I was in the car early hours (about 5:00am) Sunday morning on the way to a clay pigeon shoot like I had done for about 3 years, blues and twos the whole lot, I pulled over, very first thing of of his mouth was 'can you tell me what you have in the boot of the car sir' well the look on his face when I sad 2 shotguns and about 300 cartridges!! 'Ha ha, Mr Comedian are we sir?' The look on his face was even better when he actually looked.

 

[swee'pea99]

I'm at work using fone, so can't open the file you linked to, but I'm sure it will be a source of entertainment later.
Not the case "now", so has Greenock suddenly become a great big melting pot? And as for searches in Scotland being non statutory, again that must be post 2001 (when I finished), as we only carried out searches under MDA 1971, Civic Govt Scotland act 1982, and Prevention of Crime act (1953 IIRC)...
Any changes to legislation are not relevant to you calling me a liar anyway, oh and previously, a bent copper. You're just a troll, and not a very good one.

Calm down...no-one called you a liar, and I don't see anyone trolling. Just questioning your blanket assertion that, to use your own words, 'to suggest the Police go out and target people based on their skin colour is, IMHO, stereotypical nonsense'.

Did you look at the chart I posted earlier? This one.

Now, whatever your personal experiences in Greenock, that chart - unless it's been put together by trolls and liars - shows that if you're black, your chances of getting stopped and searched are three times higher in the West Midlands, twice as high in South Yorkshire, and almost six times higher if you're in Kent. In fact in that whole chart there's not one region where you're equally likely to be stopped and searched regardless of your colour. Which in turn suggests that to suggest the Police target people based on their skin colour is not stereotypical nonsense but, based on the evidence, indisputable.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Say we take one stop and search a day (as he said he did it each and every working day)... that's 230 working days over 19 years - or 4,370 stops and searches. And not one non-white person?

Nah...

So he's lying?

 

[Brandane]

Calm down...no-one called you a liar, and I don't see anyone trolling. Just questioning your blanket assertion that, to use your own words, 'to suggest the Police go out and target people based on their skin colour is, IMHO, stereotypical nonsense'.

Did you look at the chart I posted earlier? This one.

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Now, whatever your personal experiences in Greenock, that chart - unless it's been put together by trolls and liars - shows that if you're black, your chances of getting stopped and searched are three times higher in the West Midlands, twice as high in South Yorkshire, and almost six times higher if you're in Kent. In fact in that whole chart there's not one region where you're equally likely to be stopped and searched regardless of your colour. Which in turn suggests that to suggest the Police target people based on their skin colour is not stereotypical nonsense but, based on the evidence, indisputable.

Perfectly calm here thanks. Is there a difference between lying and "talking bollocks" then? It wasn't your accusation, it was not surprisingly, @User .
Re that chart, statistics can be misleading. For instance, what is the ethnic make up of the population in those force areas? It's reasonable to expect the figures to be higher in areas like the Met, where the percentage of non whites might be higher than other force areas.
According to those figures, there are quite a few force areas where white people are more likely to be searched, e.g. Humberside, where you are less than half as likely to be searched if you are black. See what I mean about stats...

 

[ufkacbln]

Just as well it wasn't pigs'

Posted before

In St Ives Cambridgeshire there was a long track leading to a pig farm called ... Pig Lane

When an estate was built the name was kept..... until they built the Police Station

There was then a short section called Broad Leas the stretch either side remaining as Pig Lane

 

[ufkacbln]

My mother used to have a group of friends into Line Dancing and drove all over the place

As she was not a drinker she often acted as "taxi"

By the time she dropped the last ones off it would be the early hours

One night she had a set of blue lights in her mirror, ignored them totally and drove into the nearest Police Station

They were unhappy to say the least

Then she showed them a circularcabout a bogus Police vehicle issuing spot fines and an unpleasant incident with a female driver

For that reason she had decided that they could discuss whatever it was they were stoping her for somewhere she considered safe

The Sergeant decided that that was perfectly reasonable

 

[MarquisMatsugae]

You'll find that @Brandane is from Aryshire, in Scotland, which is not covered by your map.

Certainly when I grew up in and around that area it was extremely rare to see a non-white face.

Me too.
Very rare.

 

[Tim Hall]

Is it appropriate to do a "Blacks of Greenock" reference here?

 

[screenman]

The police did a stop and search on a guy once and found three sets of car keys belonging to me, when they took him home they found the 14 car radios along with other items he had stolen from me.

 

[screenman]

[QUOTE 4515709, member: 259"]It used to be commonplace in pit villages in the eighties.

Where did you pinch the fourteen radios from? [/QUOTE]

I did not pinch them, he let himself into my car site outside of opening hours.

 

[swansonj]

It's an oft claimed story... but sadly not true.

The new police station in St Ives was built on Norris Road - not Broad Leas. Pig Lane never extended down as far as what is now Broad Leas. What is now Broad Leas was previously Cemetery Road (the maps from the 1950s and 1970s clearly have it marked) and it was renamed when new housing was built as people (particularly the elderly people in the various care homes on Broad Leas) didn't like the idea of living on Cemetery Road.

One end of Broad Leas joins on to Pig Lane - the other end doesn't. It goes into Globe Place and the joins West Street / East Street.

Did you hear about the old people's home that was built on St Peter's Close?

 

[nickyboy]

Perfectly calm here thanks. Is there a difference between lying and "talking bollocks" then? It wasn't your accusation, it was not surprisingly, @User .
Re that chart, statistics can be misleading. For instance, what is the ethnic make up of the population in those force areas? It's reasonable to expect the figures to be higher in areas like the Met, where the percentage of non whites might be higher than other force areas.
According to those figures, there are quite a few force areas where white people are more likely to be searched, e.g. Humberside, where you are less than half as likely to be searched if you are black. See what I mean about stats...

I'm afraid you're misinterpreting the chart. Where a region has, for example, a figure of "3 x more likely", this means that if non-white people make up 10% of the population they receive 30% of the total stop and searches. If they make up 3% of the population they receive 9% of the total stop and searches

So if you take practically every region, the % of stop and searches performed on non-white people is higher than their % of the overall population. In many cases massively so. So you cannot say that police don't target their stop and search at least partly based on skin colour. Because they do

 

[ufkacbln]

It's an oft claimed story... but sadly not true.

The new police station in St Ives was built on Norris Road - not Broad Leas. Pig Lane never extended down the length of what is now Broad Leas. What is now Broad Leas was previously Cemetery Road (the maps from the 1950s and 1970s clearly have it marked) and it was renamed when new housing was built as people (particularly the elderly people in the various care homes on Broad Leas) didn't like the idea of living on Cemetery Road.

One end of Broad Leas joins on to Pig Lane - the other end doesn't. It goes into Globe Place and the joins West Street / East Street.

OMG, they moved the Youth Club I grew up in without telling us!