thanks for that link mate...that looks like what i want.
locking panniers to the bike, well it depends on where i am. To b ehonest there isnt much I can do to stop a determined theif and they can always leave th ebag and just open it and nick the contents...so.... Mostly I dont bother locking panniers unless i feel the bike is at risk and i cannot avoid leaving it, like outside a supermarket when buying food for dinner etc...then i do this:
I take one of the cable locks and run it through the rear wheel, the frame and the saddles metal bits underneath it. Then i run the cable through the railing or whatever...see why it needs to be long? The rear panniers are clipped onto the rack and i also used a couple of those bike tie jobs to tie each bag to the other one through the rack...it wont stop a theif but it will slow them down a little.
Then I will take the other cable and run it through the front wheel, front bag loops, frame and railing.
If it's a right dodgy area I forget about the front wheel thing above and use that lock to run through the rear lifting pannier loops and the frame...the thief would need a knife then to remove the rear bags, which some carry but opportunists generally dont...erm...except in Essex!
Then I remove the bar bag and front panniers and put them in the supermarket trolley and take them in with me...there was one place I went to where I was worried about a gang of chavs hanging around so i removed all five bags and took them with me...it's an option right.
Both cable locks have separate combinations just in case some piece of low life gets lucky with one combination.
I dont like locks with keys because I always lose them and am forever flapping around trying to remember which one is for which lock etc.
Another thing...leAVE the bike in a busy visable area, not in a back alley etc...or even better...keep riding until you feel it's safer to leave your bike.