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I was telling my dad about this today, he's been blind for 15 years or so so i always try to paint a mental picture for him. Sadly it's cloudy here so no sightings but i was talking to him, it kinda went this way...

Turn a light off, it goes dark instantly. That's because light particles deteriorate almost instantly. (forgive the possibly wrong laymans interpretation, i may be talking tosh)

So why can we see light that left a dying sun 21 million years ago fer chrissakes...can someone explain that to me...preferably in a way a simpleton can understand ? :blush:

My dad wouldn't give an opinion....nooooo, he said, don't even go there :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

The sun 21 million light years away is 100 billion billion miles away and it takes even light 21 million years to travel here. Your room is say 15 ft across. Light crosses your room in 15 billionths of a second and is absorbed by the second or third bounce off a wall or ceiling. The reason the light does not appear to switch off instantly is the filament in the bulb takes time to cool down rather than down to the speed of light.

Perhaps the easiest way to think of it is a thunderstorm. When lightning strikes you see a flash and then many seconds later usually hear the bang and rumble. Now your dad will just hear the bang so he is hearing something that happened many seconds in the past because it took time for the sound to travel to him. When he senses the lightning strike happening it has already been over for many seconds in reality. If however the lightning hits your house he will hear it the instant it happens because the sound and bang go together.

And just like your dad and thunder, the further away the strike the more in the past the things he is experiencing now are. In the same way when we look at M101 we are experiencing now things that actually happened not seconds but 21 million years ago. If sound could travel in space it would be another 200 million million years before your dad would hear the sound of the supernova

HTH
 

Zoiders

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"I feel a great disturbance in the Force...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced"




 

pally83

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Interesting (perhaps) aside; because nothing can travel faster than light, if the sun ceased to exist then the Earth would carry on regardless for 8.3 minutes because that's how long it takes for the light from the photosphere to reach us.
 

Mad Doug Biker

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Interesting (perhaps) aside; because nothing can travel faster than light, if the sun ceased to exist then the Earth would carry on regardless for 8.3 minutes because that's how long it takes for the light from the photosphere to reach us.

But this being Britain, it would probably be overcast so nobody would even notice :biggrin:
 
Interesting (perhaps) aside; because nothing can travel faster than light, if the sun ceased to exist then the Earth would carry on regardless for 8.3 minutes because that's how long it takes for the light from the photosphere to reach us.

Carry on regardless?

I don't think you appreciate the gravity of the situation.

Seriously though - that's nonsense.
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Yeah - any day now or in the next million years or so.
But it will be quick when it happens! Not all cosmic events take aeons and IIRC supernova explosions happen in minutes.
 
Is it going to be visible for a few days, or was last night it?

Through Monday and Tuesday I believe but not really visible. We have a near full moon at the moment rising at 18:36 and setting at 05:33 with the sun rising at 06:27 so the night sky is too bright to see anything. I was out with the binoculars last night when the skies were clear and it (or rather the M101 galaxy it is in) was not visible - and that is if you know exactly where to look which in itself is not easy. Even off axis viewing didn't reveal anything
 

rowan 46

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Location
birmingham
when I first heard the story it was speculated to be much sooner than that possibly within our lifetime. It seems the scientific community has put the media straight again and the numbers are much more cautious. No rush to get my imaging rig sorted then. I would have loved to have seen a close supernova.
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