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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
The chances are he didn't actually work for, or was even a member of, Sustrans. Many charities utilise third party companies to do their street enrolment/sales pitch and they, in turn, use agency staff on a day-to-day basis and who might have been doing something completely different the day before.
Yes, chuggers, aka charity muggers, are often hired-in. It's a particular skill, they often get abuse from passing people, and it burns out most volunteers fast.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Yes, chuggers, aka charity muggers, are often hired-in. It's a particular skill, they often get abuse from passing people, and it burns out most volunteers fast.
"Chuggers" are not volunteers, they're paid staff.
Doesn't excuse the abuse though, just walk on by if you're not interested.
 

briantrumpet

Legendary Member
Location
Devon & Die
The chances are he didn't actually work for, or was even a member of, Sustrans. Many charities utilise third party companies to do their street enrolment/sales pitch and they, in turn, use agency staff on a day-to-day basis and who might have been doing something completely different the day before.

Well in that case, they did their cause a disservice. Sounds like they might be a bit lost as a charity, if the actual people representing them to the public aren't actually, erm, representing them.
 

Oldhippy

Cynical idealist
I've never understood why Sustrans, Cycling UK don't work together putting cycling as regular transport for all. The name change seems pointless and costly for little if any gain long-term.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I've never understood why Sustrans, Cycling UK don't work together putting cycling as regular transport for all. The name change seems pointless and costly for little if any gain long-term.
It's a consequence of history. Sustrans's precursor Cyclebag (of Bristol and Bath Railway Path fame) was formed in the 1970s/80s when Cycling UK's precursor CTC was being especially stupid and short-sighted in opposing non-motorised routes due to a fifty-year fear that it would result in cycling be legally banned from more carriageways if there were more cycleways (a lack of confidence in their ability to make the argument that nobody would need to be banned from carriageways if the cycleways were any good, IMO), rather than what actually happened which is that cycling was bullied off most A-road carriageways and "designed off" new "improved" dual-carriageway A-roads like the "improved" dual-carriageway sections of A5, A43 and A46 in the Midlands, without even rubbish alternative provision, let alone anything good. Lots of other cycling campaigns were formed in other cities and towns around the same time: I think LCC, Camcycle, GMCC, Pedals and Spokes all started in that period.

So CTC was primarily about riding, while Sustrans was primarily about building. I think history has shown that both approaches are insufficient, but Sustrans's was probably needed more at the time. Until CTC converted to a charity, it was probably legally awkward for Sustrans and CTC to unite. Even now, their aims and structures may be different enough to make it difficult, so is it worth spending resources doing it? I don't know. They used to work together in the 2010s as part of the "Active Travel Alliance" but it didn't really work well. Not heard of it? I'm not surprised.
 
Or W.H. Smith being renamed TG Jones. It had been around for 250 years and has now been replaced by a brand that nobody has ever heard of.

It's not renamed - it's a different company. They couldn't call it WH Smith as that's a different company mainly for the airport and railway shops.

It's so similar though that you would instantly know what to expect from seeing a TG Jones shop on the high street.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Have to admit I was deeply unimpressed by a Sustrans bod I (for once) had time to stop & chat to. Thought I might engage him on some specifics of local cycle routes, but it quickly became apparent that he didn't know any of them (certainly in any detail whatsoever), wasn't interested in my constructive suggestions, and was only interested in signing people up (he was being paid to be there), so he more or less walked away to try to catch others passing on bikes.

This is exactly why I avoid them - they usually pop up at strategic points on the Fallowfield Loop. Maybe I should stop next time and ask them about the high crime rates on the Loop. A colleague was attacked recently, and I was last September.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
It's not renamed - it's a different company. They couldn't call it WH Smith as that's a different company mainly for the airport and railway shops.

It's so similar though that you would instantly know what to expect from seeing a TG Jones shop on the high street.
Would you? Why wouldn't you think TJ Hughes (similar name and typeface but usually red) or TK Maxx (more famous, and trades as TJ Maxx in the USA) hadn't branched out into convenience stores? I think the "TGJones" brand is a turkey, as well as vulnerable to anyone actually named T. G. Jones being able to open a shop with that name (due to human real names being unable to infringe trademarks), but I expect it will last long enough for Modella to inflate and sell the shops.

When The Range bought Wilkinsons, rebranded the remaining shop fronts and kept stocking Wilko products inside, was that renamed or a different company? How finely can you split this hair? And does it matter?
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
They will until 30th September when the re-brand is launching.

I can't find any mention of that on their website, so they're being very coy.

Edit: I found a mention in Forbes, with reasons. Why they can't just expand the name to Sustainable Transport, I don't know.
 
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