I am not sure there is much point.marinyork said:Well you can talk about city centre stuff if you want, it's included in my examples.
Thefts/vandalisms is harder to sort out. Fortunately cabling thefts etc that has hit the city centre routes here seems to have been resolved for the present.
Danny said:I am not sure there is much point.
You fundamentally disagree with with Sustrans so will find fault in anything they do.
Danny said:Sustrans is still largely reliant on volunteers to maintain things like signing, so I guess the service can be variable in different areas of Britain.
Danny said:In any case it is a myth to say that Sustrans is trying to segregate cyclists from cars. As others have said the vast majority of the national cycle network goes along existing roads. Where they have built off-road routes these generally provide an alternative to busy main roads - cyclists can still choose which they prefer to go on.
Tried that and can't see what point you are trying to make. Lots of buses, lorries and stationary traffic, though.marinyork said:53°23'3.8"N 1°27'39.75"W copy those into google maps exactly as you would an address and have a look at streetview.
That's the sort of thing I'm on about (and no, it's not actually changed since the imagery was taken which was a while back).
dellzeqq said:if any of you ever go to a Sustrans rally be prepared for something distinctly 'ol' time religion'. Grimshaw calls women from the audience to testify on the dangers of roads. Interesting.........
dellzeqq said:if any of you ever go to a Sustrans rally be prepared for something distinctly 'ol' time religion'. Grimshaw calls women from the audience to testify on the dangers of roads. Interesting.........
wafflycat said:Do you think I should attend one?
Sustrans are not "publicising cycling as something best done away from traffic" - they are offering alternatives to people who prefer not to cycle on busy main roads.Rhythm Thief said:No doubt they can, for the moment. How long that happy state of affairs will last when Sustrans has publicised cycling as something best done away from traffic is anyone's guess.
Danny - you protest too much! All we're saying is that they have a talent for contriving routes that are.......wiggly.Danny said:Sustrans are not "publicising cycling as something best done away from traffic" - they are offering alternatives to people who prefer not to cycle on busy main roads.
Suggesting that Sustrans are party of some conspiracy to stop people cycling on normal roads is pure paranoia.
Danny said:Sustrans are not "publicising cycling as something best done away from traffic" - they are offering alternatives to people who prefer not to cycle on busy main roads.
Suggesting that Sustrans are party of some conspiracy to stop people cycling on normal roads is pure paranoia.
Rhythm Thief said:Oh, I don't think there's an active conspiracy, not at all. But any organisation whose rationale is to build a dedicated network of roads for cyclists is indirectly promoting the view that bicyles are not for road use. Which I'm afraid I see as an enormous backward step; I'd sooner see them campaigning for better awareness of bicycles as legitimate road users, like the CTC do.
Norm said:Tried that and can't see what point you are trying to make. Lots of buses, lorries and stationary traffic, though.
Can you hit the "link" button top right hand corner and show us exactly what you are looking at. It'll give something like this:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&s...=OLjl_nJQlv7ESlslH3jhOw&cbp=12,80.19,,0,17.06