Taking a minibus through France to Belgium
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threebikesmcginty
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As you're one for shared transport could you pick up a few crates of Belgian beer and drop them off at my house, please?
ayceejay
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I think there may be some regulation regarding number of passengers so you should check that.
threebikesmcginty
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[QUOTE 3326160, member: 45"]I'm planning to pick some up. As I don't know the way to your house I'll have to take them home with me.[/QUOTE]
They'll be wasted on a pleb like you. No offence.
They'll be wasted on a pleb like you. No offence.
threebikesmcginty
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[QUOTE 3326229, member: 259"]There's probably some namby pamby health and safety stuff saying you can't tie them to the roof rails any more.[/QUOTE]
The beers?
The beers?
Not bottle-conditioned ones obviously
ayceejay
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[QUOTE 3326229, member: 259"]There's probably some namby pamby health and safety stuff saying you can't tie them to the roof rails any more.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have little experience in reading 'the small print' I said number of passengers anything attached to the roof would be considered luggage or bagage in Dutch and therefore a different sub section.
You obviously have little experience in reading 'the small print' I said number of passengers anything attached to the roof would be considered luggage or bagage in Dutch and therefore a different sub section.
TissoT
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You need to carry a breathalyser, high viz vests (for all passengers in the car) spare bulbs ... By French Law !
Yes.
No Tacho= It ain't leaving the UK
https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passenger-carrying-vehicles
We had to cancel a Scout trip at Easter to Luxembourg for exactly this reason at very short notice.
There is a reason why minibuses are common in the UK and as rare as hens teeth in the rest of Europe.
The rest of Europe regards a minibus as a small bus, they are only driven by professional drivers
The local school, church, scout group, football club etc. does not own its own mini bus, they hire in with a driver when required.
To drive a minibus (>9 seats) in Europe you need the following:
Drivers with D1 Licences, or who passed their test before 1997 (This 'grandfather' law will be repealed in the near future, but you are OK for now)
or a driver with a PSV licence
The licence needs to the modern credit card type with a photo
The vehicle needs to be fitted with a tacho suitable for the age of the vehicle (which means in reality the old paper disc ones could be an issue if there was an accident, they have been phased out in the rest of Europe but they are not yet illegal in the UK)
The drivers each need their own tacho card, this is a process that takes 3 weeks to obtain
The vehicle needs two warning triangles, spare bulbs, two breathalyser kits (buy on line, a lot cheaper than buying in a shop) plus a hi-vis jacket for every person on board, plus working seatbelts
No Tacho= It ain't leaving the UK
https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passenger-carrying-vehicles
We had to cancel a Scout trip at Easter to Luxembourg for exactly this reason at very short notice.
There is a reason why minibuses are common in the UK and as rare as hens teeth in the rest of Europe.
The rest of Europe regards a minibus as a small bus, they are only driven by professional drivers
The local school, church, scout group, football club etc. does not own its own mini bus, they hire in with a driver when required.
To drive a minibus (>9 seats) in Europe you need the following:
Drivers with D1 Licences, or who passed their test before 1997 (This 'grandfather' law will be repealed in the near future, but you are OK for now)
or a driver with a PSV licence
The licence needs to the modern credit card type with a photo
The vehicle needs to be fitted with a tacho suitable for the age of the vehicle (which means in reality the old paper disc ones could be an issue if there was an accident, they have been phased out in the rest of Europe but they are not yet illegal in the UK)
The drivers each need their own tacho card, this is a process that takes 3 weeks to obtain
The vehicle needs two warning triangles, spare bulbs, two breathalyser kits (buy on line, a lot cheaper than buying in a shop) plus a hi-vis jacket for every person on board, plus working seatbelts
threebikesmcginty
Corn Fed Hick...
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By law you have to be smeared in Brie and singing Alouette if there are more than 5 people in one vehicle.
threebikesmcginty
Corn Fed Hick...
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[QUOTE 3326724, member: 259"]You forgot the unfiltered Gitanes and the bottle of home-brewed Calvados. 
[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, those yellow ones, the mild variety.
[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, those yellow ones, the mild variety.
[QUOTE 3326742, member: 259"]Are you sure about this? For a privately owned minibus in France and Belgium? You can hire them here with a pre 1997 licence or a D1.
I know for certain that you don't need to have the new EU model driving licence in Belgium or France (very few people have them).
You don't need breathalysers, as the French government decided it was unworkable. As far as I recall, you don't need a hi-viz tabard for all occupants either. You certainly don't need this for cars, vans or buses.[/QUOTE]
Be my guest
Here is the 52 page document on the rules
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...urs-and-tachographs-psvs-in-gb-and-europe.pdf
As I said we were forced at 10 days notice to pull a trip for Scouts for exactly this reason, if there had been a way around the rules I'm sure we would have found it, as we had several transport managers putting their heads together to see if there was a solution.
I know for certain that you don't need to have the new EU model driving licence in Belgium or France (very few people have them).
You don't need breathalysers, as the French government decided it was unworkable. As far as I recall, you don't need a hi-viz tabard for all occupants either. You certainly don't need this for cars, vans or buses.[/QUOTE]
Be my guest
Here is the 52 page document on the rules
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...urs-and-tachographs-psvs-in-gb-and-europe.pdf
As I said we were forced at 10 days notice to pull a trip for Scouts for exactly this reason, if there had been a way around the rules I'm sure we would have found it, as we had several transport managers putting their heads together to see if there was a solution.
biggs682
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keep some room so you can pick a few bikes up on the way
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