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dmoan said:Change your chocolate biscuits for Jaffa Cakes and you can still enjoy VAT free fuel!
Yebbut, I'd eat a whole packet at once!
dmoan said:Change your chocolate biscuits for Jaffa Cakes and you can still enjoy VAT free fuel!
mark barker said:May I ask why not?
Regarding road tax (or road fund licence if you prefer) As I see it, we use the roads, so why shouldn't we pay for them?
As for MOTs, how many occasionally users regularly maintain their bikes?
Insurance is a must surely? I don't believe that there has never been a case where a bike has hit a car....
Arch said:The problem with that is the cost of the exercise. I saw once, someone worked out that to issue a free disc to all cyclists every year would mean adding a tenner to the cost of the paid for ones - or you have to charge an admin fee to everyone.
So either you can't make it really free, or you penalise others - the latter might be good in some ways, and a good argument against the slackjawed shouty moton, but difficult to get across in the few seconds you generally have to 'correspond' with them.
Do away with VED and slap up fuel, with a decent benefit system to help out those who really do rely on a car, like disabled people. But that'll never happen.
Is there VAT on petrol as well as duty? If so, when VAT goes up, we have an advantage, since our fuel is VAT free (unless you count chocolate biscuits and other luxuries).
dondare said:VED is not just a way of raising money. It is a way of keeping tabs on (motor-)vehicle ownership and needs to be kept for that reason.
There is not only VAT on fuel, there is VAT on the duty on fuel. So if fuel duty goes up 1p, that's actually 1.175p, and will soon be 1.2p.
(There is also tax on beer so some cyclists, at any rate, are charged for their fuel.)
mark barker said:WTF!?! If I was required to pay a fee (call it a tax or what ever you choose) that allowed my children to attend school then there would be a school tax. I'm sure you'd call it something else. But there isn't. There is however a tax that is required to be paid to use a vehicle on the road. So its logical to call it a road tax. The tax is nothing to do with vehicles that are not on the road, only those that use the road.
wafflycat said:To *use* a vehicle on the road you require a driving licence.
Davidc said:Unless the vehicle is a bicycle....
Davidc said:Unless the vehicle is a bicycle....
The VED thing is all a bit crazy now anyway. There are plenty of cars around which aren't paying any because their emissions are low.
Davidc said:The WC vehicle may have been one for all I know!
(Presumably those who think bikes shouldn't be on the road 'cos they pay none also expect the owners of Fiestas and Citroen C1s to keep their cars off the road as well?)