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AAAC 76C

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That couldn't have been much fun for you AAAC. Hanging around waiting half the time. I couldn't even keep up with you on the downhill. Probably totally flat rides will be best for future chaingang rides.

We are almost polar opposites on climb transitions and it makes it almost pointless competing.
That said I'm not sure I want the experience you guys are having, I almost regret moaning about pro slings now.
The other downside is that I can't begger off to Zwift either!
Never mind I think my groin needs rest anyway.
 

theboxers

TheBoxers on Cycle Sim sw
Yes indeed! What I noticed this time was that you could go flying into a gradient and suddenly slow down as if hitting a thick strand of elastic The elastic then snapped after a second or so and you would fly forward again but at a much lower speed. And right enough the gears was difficult due to not knowing whether I'd be going fast or slow at any point after hitting a gradient.
Bill I will say this about tonights course. It could have been fun were it not for the fw/sw issues. Although it was mainly uphill or downhill you felt encouraged to push on because there were seconds to be gained. I expected a much higher hr than I ended up with. This was, I think, due to the frequent steep downhill sections going up. In fact I may have averaged a higher hr going down the second half :huh:.

Lesson learned. Profiles can be, at best, dishonest :blink:.
 

LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
Yes indeed! What I noticed this time was that you could go flying into a gradient and suddenly slow down as if hitting a thick strand of elastic The elastic then snapped after a second or so and you would fly forward again but at a much lower speed. And right enough the gears was difficult due to not knowing whether I'd be going fast or slow at any point after hitting a gradient.
It did look like the decceleration was too aggressive when hitting the +7-8%. Still more realistic that before, but it looks like bkool still got some work to do.
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
It did look like the decceleration was too aggressive when hitting the +7-8%. Still more realistic that before, but it looks like bkool still got some work to do.

Yes, it's quite realistic for the situation where the landowner where you are riding is annoyed at all the cyclists so has put a wire across the track but the wire is not strong enough to bring you to a complete stop and snaps so you continue forward cursing and wishing people would leave things alone. :cursing:
 

AAAC 76C

Large Member
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LIVING THE DREAM
Yes, it's quite realistic for the situation where the landowner where you are riding is annoyed at all the cyclists so has put a wire across the track but the wire is not strong enough to bring you to a complete stop and snaps so you continue forward cursing and wishing people would leave things alone. :cursing:

Don't they Beta test their Software, it's like the creators don't ride bikes.
In fact I would not be surprised one bit. They are probably sub-contracted to make certain changes against a spec and that is exactly what they do.
What would be easier than to write some script, load it onto your trainer and then ride session that has all the required profiles in it.
In fact you wouldn't even have to ride as you could set up a test trainer that is driven by a motor and cycles through various power settings and then does it all again accelerating a decelerating.
That's one of the reasons why modern aircraft SW changes are so expensive because of the exhaustive rig testing that has to be done to cover the various conditions that can occur and all of the possible variations.
Perhas that's just, cheap and cheerful
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Don't they Beta test their Software, it's like the creators don't ride bikes.
In fact I would not be surprised one bit. They are probably sub-contracted to make certain changes against a spec and that is exactly what they do.
What would be easier than to write some script, load it onto your trainer and then ride session that has all the required profiles in it.
In fact you wouldn't even have to ride as you could set up a test trainer that is driven by a motor and cycles through various power settings and then does it all again accelerating a decelerating.
That's one of the reasons why modern aircraft SW changes are so expensive because of the exhaustive rig testing that has to be done to cover the various conditions that can occur and all of the possible variations.
Perhas that's just, cheap and cheerful

Couldn't agree more. It really is as if they don't bother testing their changes. The Summer Cup league that Bkool are running must be complete chaos by now. Many participants must have given up by now and all the leaders must be the guys with older trainers that can't update. I think they're going to hack off a lot of people with this whichever trainer they have.
 

AAAC 76C

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Couldn't agree more. It really is as if they don't bother testing their changes. The Summer Cup league that Bkool are running must be complete chaos by now. Many participants must have given up by now and all the leaders must be the guys with older trainers that can't update. I think they're going to hack off a lot of people with this whichever trainer they have.

Perhaps i should join and do some hacking off.

I've been looking for a new Pro this evening but having just transferred £1.6K to my wife's account to pay for our holiday I am feeling a bit Scottish all of a sudden!
Good job a bought this weekends wine yesterday.
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Perhaps i should join and do some hacking off.

I've been looking for a new Pro this evening but having just transferred £1.6K to my wife's account to pay for our holiday I am feeling a bit Scottish all of a sudden!
Good job a bought this weekends wine yesterday.

That would be some good sport and might cause some of the regulars to complain. I had thought about protesting the on/off technique that way but now they've replaced it with something that makes it impossible for me to protest that way.
I know what you mean about Scottish though as I go through such phases, even though I'm becoming more English these days. I even splashed out on a new set of bib shorts last weekend and my 4rse is extremely grateful. The pain of spending £50 has gone now but I'll be reaping the benefits for a long time to come.

Edit: Looks like the bkool summer cup starts tomorrow.
 
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AAAC 76C

Large Member
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That would be some good sport and might cause some of the regulars to complain. I had thought about protesting the on/off technique that way but now they've replaced it with something that makes it impossible for me to protest that way.
I know what you mean about Scottish though as I go through such phases, even though I'm becoming more English these days. I even splashed out on a new set of bib shorts last weekend and my 4rse is extremely grateful. The pain of spending £50 has gone now but I'll be reaping the benefits for a long time to come.

Point is that the on/off should never had worked but was without doubt possible due to the method by which they introduced the resistance delay.
I feel that they have either reduced the delay or taken it away altogether.
I have tried to think it through but it is difficult but I have not doubt that your the speed you can go on a bike for any given condition can be calculated mathematically and hence so can the required resistance.
What I would call the 'static' data is quite easy as it is all about speed, slope, & weight where speed also includes the related form drag and rolling resistance etc.
The 'residual impact' from the conditions at the entry into the 'static data' is probably a bit more difficult and I'm not going to try and think about it tonight until I have had some wine!
 
That would be some good sport and might cause some of the regulars to complain. I had thought about protesting the on/off technique that way but now they've replaced it with something that makes it impossible for me to protest that way.
I know what you mean about Scottish though as I go through such phases, even though I'm becoming more English these days. I even splashed out on a new set of bib shorts last weekend and my 4rse is extremely grateful. The pain of spending £50 has gone now but I'll be reaping the benefits for a long time to come.

Edit: Looks like the bkool summer cup starts tomorrow.
I may take offence at the last few postings. I went to school at Edinboro University (that's how they spell it in Pennsylvania) home of the fighting Scots. Fighting-Scots-logo.png
 

AAAC 76C

Large Member
Location
LIVING THE DREAM
That would be some good sport and might cause some of the regulars to complain. I had thought about protesting the on/off technique that way but now they've replaced it with something that makes it impossible for me to protest that way.
I know what you mean about Scottish though as I go through such phases, even though I'm becoming more English these days. I even splashed out on a new set of bib shorts last weekend and my 4rse is extremely grateful. The pain of spending £50 has gone now but I'll be reaping the benefits for a long time to come.

Edit: Looks like the bkool summer cup starts tomorrow.

Missed the Summer Cup bit there and I was just saying to the wife that I might take a rest while the TdF is on and give my bits a rest.
Bib shorts wise I have been quite happy with stuff I have bought from Planet X, I have some nice lightweight clubman bibs that are good for indoors and I use their 365 base layers as a top to wick away the sweat.
The other piece of kit that is quite good is their sleeveless Tri-Suits which zip down quite a way at the front however the pad is quite small and may not suit all.
All though I suffer from saddle 'issues' I'm a great believer that once you have found the right perch the short pad just enables you to sit on it longer as it reduces friction, adsorbs sweat and road bumps and allows for some cooling but the comfort is really the bum saddle interface compatibility.
When I was in my thirties I spent some time commuting 20 miles each way to work wearing pad-less shorts and leggings.
 
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