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Team Time trial - better with or without?

Discussion in 'Time Trial, Long Distance and Endurance' started by Smokin Joe, 17 Jul 2007.

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  1. Better without

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  2. Bring it back

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  3. No opinion

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  1. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

    I personally think a team time trial distorts the overall result at the expense of good riders who may be in a weak team.
     
  2. Keith Oates

    Keith Oates Janner

    Location:
    Penarth, Wales
    It can do, but all riders rely on their teams to get to winning positions whether it's in the sprints or getting taken to and partly up the climbs!!!!!!
     
  3. I think it adds greatly to the spactacle of cycle racing.

    A team of guys, all in same colourful kit, in full TT pointy-helmets, lycra overshoes, etc, on carbon lo-pro TT bikes, doing through-and-off at seriously high speeds...

    It looks great, a superb photo opp, it's good PR for the sport.
     
  4. Steve Austin

    Steve Austin The Marmalade Kid

    Location:
    Mlehworld
    i agree, its great for the cameras, and photos. but it can seriously dent the weaker/ less organized teams if it leaves them with five minutes down after the TTT

    Rasmussen could have lost minutes before the first climb of this year if it had a TTT in it, then he may not have attacked.
    If we must have a TTT, then the potential time losses should be limited
     
  5. Tim Bennet.

    Tim Bennet. Entirely Average Member

    Location:
    S of Kendal
    The teams do have the option of practicing before hand. It was always clearly obvious which had practiced and which hadn't. Some were just a shambles with no plan, structure or specific skills. They were usually the ones complaining about how unfair it was.
     
  6. Squaggles

    Squaggles New Member

    Location:
    Yorkshire
    I voted to bring it back , as long as it is instead of one of the individual TTs . I was never much of a fan of Indurain or Armstrong destroying all the climbers in the TTs .
     
  7. Keith Oates

    Keith Oates Janner

    Location:
    Penarth, Wales
    I thought the final TT by Armstrong in the 2005 TdF was one of the finest rides I've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. Smokin Joe

    Smokin Joe Legendary Member

    I'm not a great fan of time trialing, either riding them or watching so I will admit to some personal prdjudice here. But I would like to see a few experiments to jazz them up a bit. keep the prologue and the final tt as they are, but the mid race event could be held over 50 miles with the first 25 solo and then pick up a pacing Derny at the half way point for the final 25. Restrict that one to standard road bikes too, I think it could make for an more exciting stage.

    Apart from the GC contenders at the final stages of a tt, watching the other 150 or so plod round is a bit like watching paint dry.
     
  9. chris42

    chris42 New Member

    Location:
    Deal, Kent
    I love the TTT!
     
  10. Rob S

    Rob S New Member

    Location:
    Plymouth
    I don't think having a weak team for a time trial is any different to having a weak team in the mountains.

    Perhaps you could limit the damage of the distortion by having a trial of say no more than 25-30 miles. But if they are going to limit the distortion by introducing Micky Mouse gimmicks like they did a couple of times in recent years then they should drop it.
     
  11. Tetedelacourse

    Tetedelacourse New Member

    Location:
    Rosyth
    I voted to keep it out. What does it add? I think yes it's a spectacle and good for cameras but no more so than any other stage. And there's plenty opportunity in training for photos like these for folk who want them.

    The organisers obviously recognised the unfairness of the stronger teams in it as I think Rob S is alluding to, when a team lost no more than 3 minutes based on what rank you came in as, not when you came in in real terms. Which kind of defeats the purpose if a really great ride only gets you 20 seconds advantage.

    You can't really compare TTT to mountains as there are far more variables to factor in, much more exciting. I think there is a place for the solo contre-la-montre though as it's still a good chance to see how the main contenders shape up in the absence of any assistance.
     
  12. Rob S

    Rob S New Member

    Location:
    Plymouth
    Exactly...so a proper TTT of no more than 25 miles will give the spectacle, a challenge without distorting the overall greatly. Smokin Joe's point that it disadvantages a good rider in a weak team could also be said about a team leader with very few climbing domestiques.
     
  13. Tetedelacourse

    Tetedelacourse New Member

    Location:
    Rosyth
    Yeah but to a much lesser extent I reckon, as you still have the opportunity to climb with other climbers from other teams as we've seen so far this year.
     
  14. fuzzy29

    fuzzy29 New Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    Personally, I like to see climbers given a chance of winning over the TT experts that just follow in the mountains. Whilst we all know that it is a team event, who do you think of when asked about previous winners.
     
  15. ac

    ac New Member

    Should definitely be back in. Used to be one of my favourite stages, mainly due to aesthetic reasons, but to try and gain credibility, the TTT does add to the whole variability of the race by adding another dimension and a further skill requirement....