The cabinet reshuffle

[Dark46]

I reshuffled the kitchen cabinet after emptying it trying to find something for tea

 

[fossyant]

I have been dealing with DfE on a regular basis these last few year. Let's say they no longer know which way is up. It's that bad.. That's a polite response

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Pleased too, but he's been replaced in Education by someone who attended an Independent school followed by Oxford Uni and went on to become a Corporate Lawyer. No teaching qualifications or anything remotely like it and not exactly a representative school experience (have any Tories?) ....

Oh but it's ok, it's a woman so that must make it fine....

Glad Gove got is chips cashed but...

How many of the last six or seven Labour Education people went to "Bash St." Comp and held teaching qualifications and experience?

 

[fossyant]

Have they ever?

Nope, but they are worse than ever.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Shame Gove's gone, anyone that got teachers that wound up was obviously doing some good.

 

[Wafer]

Glad Gove got is chips cashed but...

How many of the last six or seven Labour Education people went to "Bash St." Comp and held teaching qualifications and experience?

No idea, but that wasn't my point. I've no problem with the statement that Labour aren't any/much better than the Tories.... I just find it annoying that to do any form of teaching in schools you have to have a teaching qualification. But we've got people deciding how the education system works, how we we should be educating kids and making sweeping changes to schools with out having any relevant qualification aside from having discussed it after dinner with a glass of port....

And now to hear that the new Education Secretary has also been made Women and equalities minster after voting against gay marriage as well, I just wonder what planet they are all on...

 

[Ganymede]

No idea, but that wasn't my point. I've no problem with the statement that Labour aren't any/much better than the Tories.... I just find it annoying that to do any form of teaching in schools you have to have a teaching qualification. But we've got people deciding how the education system works, how we we should be educating kids and making sweeping changes to schools with out having any relevant qualification aside from having discussed it after dinner with a glass of port....

^this is ok if the ministry takes proper advice from the professionals. Trouble with Gove was that he thought he knew better than the people at the chalk face, without actually listening to them first.

 

[Wafer]

You're a lot less cynical than me if you think they generally take and follow professional advice rather than acting upon their potentially ignorant opinions and what some business chums tell them.
But then I work in Local Government and see what County Councillors are like... Any advice with enough detail to be useful is too long for them to bother reading and trying to understand.

 

[swee'pea99]

^this is ok if the ministry takes proper advice from the professionals. Trouble with Gove was that he thought he knew better than the people at the chalk face, without actually listening to them first.

I think that's about right....up to a point. One question is whether someone's equipped to 'take advice' in an informed way when they know nothing about what's being discussed. I suspect it's all part & parcel of an Establishment culture dating back to the days when if one was the right sort of chap, everything else would sort of work itself out. The kind of culture, too, that as someone said upthread, leaves the real Establishment - which is to say, the civil service - get on with 'running the country properly', with the least possible interference from those meddling 'and if I may say so, temporary' politicians.

Gove, tho', was a bit of a one-off: a man so utterly stuffed with his own rectitude that he became almost a parody of himself. And while Call Me Dave surely dumped him primarily because he had become an electoral liability, I'm sure pressure was also being brought to bear by those within the educational establishment who found him, well frankly, a bit of a grammar school swot and a ghastly fellow altogether.

 

[Paulus]

Unfortunately, should the Tories be re-elected next year, I am sure Michael Gove will re-appear as a minister for something or other yet again.

 

[swee'pea99]

Unfortunately, should the Tories be re-elected next year, I am sure Michael Gove will re-appear as a minister for something or other yet again.

Well, the word until recently was that he's neck & neck with May for Grand Fromage if they're not. (Which may of course be another contributory factor in his (temporary?) downfall.)

 

[Archie_tect]

He's the person most likely to lose a General Election.... let's see what havoc he can wreak in the next 10 months.... I like him! [as eric would say].

 

[Ganymede]

You're a lot less cynical than me if you think they generally take and follow professional advice rather than acting upon their potentially ignorant opinions and what some business chums tell them.
But then I work in Local Government and see what County Councillors are like... Any advice with enough detail to be useful is too long for them to bother reading and trying to understand.

Yeah, it's a big "if", I'm afraid.

 

[Ganymede]

I think that's about right....up to a point. One question is whether someone's equipped to 'take advice' in an informed way when they know nothing about what's being discussed. I suspect it's all part & parcel of an Establishment culture dating back to the days when if one was the right sort of chap, everything else would sort of work itself out. The kind of culture, too, that as someone said upthread, leaves the real Establishment - which is to say, the civil service - get on with 'running the country properly', with the least possible interference from those meddling 'and if I may say so, temporary' politicians.

Gove, tho', was a bit of a one-off: a man so utterly stuffed with his own rectitude that he became almost a parody of himself. And while Call Me Dave surely dumped him primarily because he had become an electoral liability, I'm sure pressure was also being brought to bear by those within the educational establishment who found him, well frankly, a bit of a grammar school swot and a ghastly fellow altogether.

All too true - though I suspect it was the political establishment rather than the educational establishment that despised a grammar-school boy.

Gove wanted to make everyone have the same education as he did, as it was so good for him - regardless as to whether it would actually work for everyone.

 

[swee'pea99]

Gove wanted to make everyone have the same education as he did, as it was so good for him - regardless as to whether it would actually work for everyone.

Bullseye.