Crankarm said:This not the case for me. Currently the saddle that causes me least grief is the Specialised body geometry 2 (BG2) with a susp seat post.
I have had Selle Gel thin hard racing gel saddles, Bontrager, San Marco gel racing saddles and various others over the years that I cannot remember but by far the most comfortable for me currently is the Specialised BG2 and it was £25 as well which makes it even more comfortable.
simon_brooke said:Gel is the problem: it's padding. Get one with no gel. You want them HARD, not 'gel'. Seriously. Go to any audax, and count the number of Brooks saddles. Brooks are as hard as they come, but the audax boys'n'girls mostly use them. Ask yourself why.
Crankarm said:Wind your arguementative neck in Brooksie and stop talking out of your 4rse............?
There's no right or wrong, it's what keeps you comfortable on your bike for your type of riding.
Crankarm said:Wind your arguementative neck in Brooksie and stop talking out of your 4rse............?
So what saddle do you use?
Have you done a proper survey of types of saddles used by audax riders and any other cyclists you claim to speak for? Brookes saddles I believe start off hard then soften to the shape of one's derriere. They also come with springs on the underside to make for a softer ride so that blows your rock hard saddle arguement out of the water.
You don't seem to be able to read and recognise that others have different experiences and opinions to your own. My saddle is fine I am happy with it.
simon_brooke said:It's your arse we're talking about. However, if you don't believe me, on your own gonads and urethra be it. Literally.
I have a Brooks (note, no 'e' if its a saddle) on one bike. It has no springs (and, obviously, no padding). It's true that it does adjust to one's shape gradually over time but it is not true that they soften (I've used this particular one fifteen years; it's still hard as a plank of wood). I also have three Selle Italia SLRs. They are also board-hard and have neither padding nor springs.
Fine, but, when you have prostate cancer and erectile disfunction, don't come back and whine to me that I didn't warn you.
That's a common misconception amongst people who don't quite know what they're talking about.simon_brooke said:It's true that it does adjust to one's shape gradually over time but it is not true that they soften (I've used this particular one fifteen years; it's still hard as a plank of wood).
I've met him. He is (when he isn't shivering and looking like a drowned lurcher).Crankarm said:What a charming person you are. Now you wish prostrate cancer or erectile dysfunction on me. Do you have medical evidence to support your porous arguement that saddle shape causes prostrate cancer?
Do you not think there might be a reason why he owns a Brooks (and there's still no 'e' in Brooks, but don't worry your pretty little head over that)?So you have a Brookes saddle that explains everything - you have an interest............ Nothing better than pushing something you've omitted to mention that you actually own. You probably have a monetary interest in Brookes as well. If they are that good why do so many Pro riders not use them?
Chuffy said:I've met him. He is (when he isn't shivering and looking like a drowned lurcher).![]()
Do you not think there might be a reason why he owns a Brooks (and there's still no 'e' in Brooks, but don't worry your pretty little head over that)?
Pro riders used them until plastic saddles (and the attendant sponsor money) became more prevalent. Plus they are heavier than a modern saddle and weight is everything to the modern roadie. Personally I'd look at the long distance guys (and girls) to see what they ride for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time.
Any idea who? I'd like to think that some still do, after all with bike weights hovering at or below the UCI limit the old weight penalty thing isn't really an issue any more. My guess would be that the money firms like Selle Italia and Fi'zik etc put in will be enough to drive a tiny firm like Brooks out of the market. Plus, have you ever seen an off-the-peg racing bike being sold with a Brooks saddles? Plenty of tourers are supplied with them as standard (usually a B17) but road bikes never are, possibly because the racing models (Swift, Swallow) are very expensive.montage said:I am sure some pro riders do still use brooks/ rolls saddles??