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Asking a question is squabbling?
Give over.
 

ianrauk

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Pardew
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Alladyce

They are never out of a job for long are they? What is it that attracts teams to these (imo) mediocre managers?
 
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Pardew
Moyes
Alladyce

They are never out of a job for long are they? What is it that attracts teams to these (imo) mediocre managers?
I would far, far rather that West Ham took a chance on a young manager who had done well in the Championship. Plenty of teams there playing half-decent, organized football on modest resources. But no, we decided to appoint someone who has been a failure ever since he left Everton. Just another chapter in the continued efforts of the board to hollow out everything that was good about the club.
 

ianrauk

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It's not just WHU though is it? A couple of losses and/or a little flirt with relegation then that old knee jerk happens and the current incumbent (along with their support staff) are booted out. It must cost the club a fair old whack in pay offs. Managers/Coaches these days don't seem to be given time or support to do their job properly. They then look at and employ well known names who arent any better.
 
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It's not just WHU though is it? A couple of losses and/or a little flirt with relegation then that old knee jerk happens and the current incumbent (along with their support staff) are booted out. It must cost the club a fair old whack in pay offs. Managers/Coaches these days don't seem to be given time or support to do their job properly. They then look at and employ well known names who arent any better.
In our case, I could understand why they dismissed Bilic: he seemed to have the weight of the world on his shoulders, and little idea of how to turn the team around. But as you say, there's absolutely no point making the change if you're going to replace him with a mediocre has-been.

ETA: what I find truly mystifying is when a club dismisses a manager and they don't have anyone else lined up.
 
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AndyRM

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This is the last time I'm going to ask you two to desist with the tit for tat.
If you don't then I will thread ban you both.

Seriously? I asked a question, and it was the most recent topic of discussion on the thread. Fair enough I've been a d!ck about stuff in the past, but this? No.

Anyway...

Pardew is a good manager IMO, and should do well with West Brom. He did very well at Newcastle and was unfairly hounded out by the more deluded section of the Geordie faithful.

Likewise Moyes. On a hiding to nothing at Man U (despite signing two of their current best players), Sociedad was very poor but I think the language barrier may have been an issue and nobody has been able to do anything with Sunderland beyond scud along the bottom.

Allardyce is a poor manager, believed to be clever because he mentioned sports science ages ago.
 

LiamW

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@AndyRM @LiamW
This is the last time I'm going to ask you two to desist with the tit for tat.
If you don't then I will thread ban you both.

I never responded to andyrm as i have him on ignore.

I replied to a post from Diogenes.
 

ianrauk

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I never responded to andyrm as i have him on ignore.

I replied to a post from Diogenes.

Seriously? I asked a question, and it was the most recent topic of discussion on the thread. Fair enough I've been a d!ck about stuff in the past, but this? No.

My post still stands. Both of you please ignore each other's posts if you can't get along without the tit for tat.
 

ianrauk

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Pardew is a good manager IMO, and should do well with West Brom. He did very well at Newcastle and was unfairly hounded out by the more deluded section of the Geordie faithful.

Likewise Moyes. On a hiding to nothing at Man U (despite signing two of their current best players), Sociedad was very poor but I think the language barrier may have been an issue and nobody has been able to do anything with Sunderland beyond scud along the bottom.

Allardyce is a poor manager, believed to be clever because he mentioned sports science ages ago.

Pardew isn't even a good manager, he's an average one. He's won nothing and will win nothing.
All of them are safe bet's for the clubs with the sole reason of hire to keep them in the PL.
 

swee'pea99

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It's not just WHU though is it? A couple of losses and/or a little flirt with relegation then that old knee jerk happens and the current incumbent (along with their support staff) are booted out. It must cost the club a fair old whack in pay offs. Managers/Coaches these days don't seem to be given time or support to do their job properly. They then look at and employ well known names who arent any better.
The root cause is probably that the business - because that's what it is - is now dominated entirely by money and therefore by those who have it, few of whom have any real idea about or feel for or experience of the game. There was a great documentary a while back about my lot - QPR - and the quite astonishing arrogance and stupidity of its then owners. In truth it didn't matter who the 'manager' was: the money had no qualms about dictating anything from team selection to match tactics, though it was clear none of them had a clue what they were doing. Someone has told them that Moyes or Big Fat Sam is the 'safe pair of hands' they need to protect their investment from the dreaded drop; end of the day, that's all that matters.
 

J1888

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Short-termism with Allardyce and Pardew, but that's par for the course everywhere now - managers don't get time to build a team, to settle in etc.

Allardyce knows what he's good at and knows his limitations as a manager - he'll steady the ship and stop them going further into freefall. Pardew is a really rather poor manager, whose career at each club can be mapped thus: comes in and gets a result here or there, goes on a good run, keeps them up; starts next season in a mixed bag, 10 winless games, people calling for his head, then goes on an undefeated run of 7 games; winless run returns, Pardew blame everyone but himself and then leaves in ignominy. You heard it here...for the 51st time probably.
 

Andrew_P

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West Brom will get the Pardew bounce, he just doesn't seem to be able to keep it going. Both Newcastle and Palace had good starts with him. Big Sam is just a mercenary, even at Bolton he was but was successful at keeping a team in Premiership with limited resources using older players. Moyes reputation much the same but from way back with Everton and he had quite a talented team when you look back. Moyes was stitched up by Fergie, no one could have followed him with what was left. That last season for whatever you think of him was nothing short of a miracle squeezing the last drop out of his legacy players.
 

J1888

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West Brom will get the Pardew bounce, he just doesn't seem to be able to keep it going. Both Newcastle and Palace had good starts with him. Big Sam is just a mercenary, even at Bolton he was but was successful at keeping a team in Premiership with limited resources using older players. Moyes reputation much the same but from way back with Everton and he had quite a talented team when you look back. Moyes was stitched up by Fergie, no one could have followed him with what was left. That last season for whatever you think of him was nothing short of a miracle squeezing the last drop out of his legacy players.

Easy to say in hindsight I know, but I think there is absolutely zero chance that Utd would have won the final title if they hadn't signed Van Persie. They knew that at 29 and with a fair few injuries under his belt, he wasn't a long-term solution, but that he'd get them over the line.
 
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