Dec66
A gentlemanly pootler, these days
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Roadhump
Time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted
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- The flatlands of South West Lancs
Well, he's gone!!!
To be honest, we have been very poor since the Christmas before. Maybe I'm a kneejerker because I began to lose patience with him earlier than most, in late 2014, but the free flowing, entertaining football he was lauded for was very much the exception; for the most part it was slow, predictable, boring, ineffective and very easy for the opposition to counter, and defensively catastrophic.
Despite his immense salary and no doubt generous compensation package, I feel sorry for him, he looked completely bewildered in the last few weeks, no doubt because he was totally out of his depth. I doubt he will be back in football management for some time after this sorry episode.
Dec66
A gentlemanly pootler, these days
- Location
- West Wickham
Do you not think he was let down by his players?
If I were the next manager, I'd be ripping through them like a dose of salts. Half a dozen need to be shifted, like now.
Smokin Joe
Squire
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- Bare headed cyclist, Smoker
The players must share the blame, but in any job if the workforce think the boss is a tit they stop trying.
Dayvo
just passin' through
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- 59° 50′ 5.55″ N, 10° 47′ 41.89″ E
It was almost inevitable that Newcastle would go down this season after their lack of wake-up-call last season.
If one thing can come out of it, then hopefully the new manager will take the chance to develop local youth and home-bred talent. There were far too many big-money/waste of money signings on foreign players who didn't/couldn't step up to the mark. I suspect they'll be back in the top flight again in the course of a season or two.
Norwich, I fear, will languish a while in the Championship, along with Aston Villa.
If one thing can come out of it, then hopefully the new manager will take the chance to develop local youth and home-bred talent. There were far too many big-money/waste of money signings on foreign players who didn't/couldn't step up to the mark. I suspect they'll be back in the top flight again in the course of a season or two.
Norwich, I fear, will languish a while in the Championship, along with Aston Villa.
Roadhump
Time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted
- Location
- The flatlands of South West Lancs
The players come out of this with very little credit, and yes, several overestimate their own importance, but what else can be expected when young men are paid obscene amounts of money for not really doing that much. As I said in #10708, they have been disgraceful having obviously downed tools. I will find it very difficult to applaud them on Sunday, but ultimately, as the club's "leader", Martinez takes responsibility and his inability to motivate them and take them with him with his incredible intensity and philosophy has shown him to be unsuitable for his role.
outlash
also available in orange
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- ice station zebra
Just out of curiosity, do you think Martinez is one of those managers that may do well at one or two clubs initially, then go to a larger club and fail but find their level eventually? I'm thinking people like Nigel Adkins, Aidy Boothroyd, Peter Taylor... Martinez strikes me as a low-premier league/championship manager who had the ambition to manage Everton but not the skills.
Dec66
A gentlemanly pootler, these days
- Location
- West Wickham
If I were thinking of taking the Everton job, the first thing I'd be doing is giving Roberto Martinez a call to invite him out to dinner.
Then, after small talk over the hors d'oeuvres, I'd cut to the chase; who were the malcontents?
Right now there'd be 5-6 players I'd be looking to get shut of, immediately, and 2-3 who'd be on borrowed time. I'd want him to confirm whether or not I was right. If they could do it to him, they could just as easily do that to me, and they'd be getting binned off before they had the opportunity.
Then, after small talk over the hors d'oeuvres, I'd cut to the chase; who were the malcontents?
Right now there'd be 5-6 players I'd be looking to get shut of, immediately, and 2-3 who'd be on borrowed time. I'd want him to confirm whether or not I was right. If they could do it to him, they could just as easily do that to me, and they'd be getting binned off before they had the opportunity.
AndyRM
XOXO
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- North Shields
Go on then, who's on Ze List?
HertzvanRental
Veteran
Should never have got rid of Dixie Dean.
RedRider
Pulling through
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His great grandson works in a pub in a formby. Sign him up
About what? Not bothered about WH one way or the other, I'd say the same if the same daft amount of coverage was afforded to any other middling club leaving their ground where they haven't done much.
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He was good at Swansea and good at Wigan, and initially good at Everton. IMO holding the relegation against him was unfair, most overachieving clubs will go down sooner or later, the cup win far outweighed any negative, fans live for the glory days. Still, way back I said he'd have to get "Martinez" players, he obviously didn't get enough because the performance last night was absolutely scandalous, the players were disgraceful, I've watched them go from looking like world beaters to clog footed oafs in one season! I agree that he had to go, but not sure Everton will get anybody in to get them top 6, there is a ton of talent there and if they won't show it for a man who encourages them to "play" then I am not sure a pragamatic guy will get it out of them.
Dayvo
just passin' through
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- 59° 50′ 5.55″ N, 10° 47′ 41.89″ E
I reckon Torvill & Dean could get into the Everton team at present.
