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[Deleted User]

I do pay to watch them……….never knew there was rules and regulations around who you can support, must have missed that some how.

i pay for sky tv, i pay for amazon, i pay for BT sport…all those companies pay millions upon millions for the tv rights to show premier league games from my and everyone else subscription fees, so yes i do pay to watch them. When i can i have also been to anfield and watched them live. But as i played football myself all my adult life until i broke my leg, i put my team and team mates ahead of going to watch liverpool at anfield, when i should be on the pitch playing myself. Also i have a disabled partner to look after and me going off on weekends for jollies to watch the football and shelling out hundreds of pounds for tickets wouldnt be fair on her.

The last time i went to anfield was in 2016 for my 40th birthday against spurs on saturday 2nd april, it was a 1-1 draw…..the tickets cost me £650 for 2 and then a further £300 for 1 night at the Malmaison hotel, along with fuel and food, it was a very expensive weekend. But thats ok, your only 40 once right, but there is no way i would pay that every weekend to watch them live, as i would like to stay solvent.

The reason i support, because i want to and have supported them since a 4yr old kid watching live football on sunday afternoon on the BBC like every other football fan back in the very very early 80s.

hope this helps and its not the first time i have said this in this forum. Who and why i support a particualr team is of no business of anyone but mine. Whether you like it or not, or struggle to accept it.

I don't need to accept anything but curious as to why people pick teams to support with no obvious link, strange they never pick cr*p ones though, I've yet to meet a Wolves supporter who didn't come from the area or who had connections.

So what made you choose Liverpool at such an early age?

 

[jowwy]

I don't need to accept anything but curious as to why people pick teams to support with no obvious link, strange they never pick cr*p ones though, I've yet to meet a Wolves supporter who didn't come from the area or who had connections.

So what made you choose Liverpool at such an early age?

Was the first team i watched that sunday afternoon, i think they were playing watford, but cant full remember as it was 42yrs ago and i have slept a bit since then………

you also have to remember who the liverpool striker was back then and it will give you the link you desire.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

FWIW I've every sympathy with Chelsea fans, though I think in the circumstances the government have done a decent job in making sure the club can keep going in the short term.

The finances of English football are seriously farked up in every way. From the gambling addiction to the sportswashing to the attempt to protect a cartel to the... ...well, I could go on.

But Russian oligarchs are now on another level to the rest of the scum, unfortunately for Chelsea fans. Who, alas, are doing themselves no favours, though I've no idea how representative the Abramovich chanters are.

I've liked your post although it would've been better, and more accurate, if you'd said some Chelsea fans.

The "chanters' are a very small subset of the Chelsea fan base and are, being polite, effing morons.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I've liked your post although it would've been better, and more accurate, if you'd said some Chelsea fans.

You are quite right, I shall amend.

 

[Deleted User]

Was the first team i watched that sunday afternoon, i think they were playing watford, but cant full remember as it was 42yrs ago and i have slept a bit since then………

you also have to remember who the liverpool striker was back then and it will give you the link you desire.

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

No because none of those owners support a regime that is bombing an independant country. Your club got in bed with the russians and are now paying the price.

Saudi Arabia / Yemen? Are you aware what is happening there?

So it's OK to be in bed with nation States that have appalling human rights records? Either directly or indirectly via prominent and influential businessmen?

Yes or no? Please.

My point was, are all these linkages or potential linkages, going to be and/or should be, retrospectively examined and punitive action taken if needs be?

Yes or no? Please.

Maybe you need to take a slightly broader look at the world and not let your hatred if Chelsea cloud your judgement.

 

[jowwy]

Saudi Arabia / Yemen? Are you aware what is happening there?

So it's OK to be in bed with nation States that have appalling human rights records? Either directly or indirectly via prominent and influential businessmen?

Yes or no? Please.

My point was, are all these linkages or potential linkages, going to be and/or should be, retrospectively examined and punitive action taken if needs be?

Yes or no? Please.

Maybe you need to take a slightly broader look at the world and not let your hatred if Chelsea cloud your judgement.

I dont hate chelsea…i hate united.

and yes i am aware of whats happening in yemen, im also aware of tensions between china and taiwan, also aware of issues between north and south korea……and my brother was a member of the british armed forces that defended the hong kong borders when the treaty was signed in 1984 With china.

it still doesnt defend the fact that currently russia are bombing an independant europian country for no reason what so ever and none of the russian oligarchs including your ex owner has made any statement against russia and asking putin to stand down………..and therefore have now been sanctioned for doing so and i for one hope they get even more sanctions until this war is ended and i hope they use all the assets seized to help pay for the rebuild of ukraine.

i hope that sets out my position on the matter.

 

[PaulB]

Mind you, they can concentrate on trying to get into the Thursday/Sunday cup thing next season, can't they?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

I dont hate chelsea…i hate united.

and yes i am aware of whats happening in yemen, im also aware of tensions between china and taiwan, also aware of issues between north and south korea……and my brother was a member of the british armed forces that defended the hong kong borders when the treaty was signed in 1984 With china.

it still doesnt defend the fact that currently russia are bombing an independant europian country for no reason what so ever and none of the russian oligarchs including your ex owner has made any statement against russia and asking putin to stand down………..and therefore have now been sanctioned for doing so and i for one hope they get even more sanctions until this war is ended and i hope they use all the assets seized to help pay for the rebuild of ukraine.

i hope that sets out my position on the matter.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

You'll be pleased with last night's result then! 😁

I don't hate any club they are just another outfit that gives a lot of pleasure to many followers over many decades. Imo MUFC are a club to be admired, incredibly successful, a mind-boggling season in 1999 and have played host to the, imo, best manager ever to grace an EPL team.

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What do you think about my second question ie retrospective examination of the current ownership structure of clubs in the light of plans to upweight the due diligence process?

My own position would be that it ought to happen full stop - but especially if CFC are subject to them during the current pre-sale process if the EPL / Gov' want to ensure parity.

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Might be a tough night in Lille later on especially if our lads have had to drive a minibus there. 😅

Thankfully we have a pre-crisis 2 goal cushion to kick off with.

 

[T4tomo]

There is potentially a lot of dubious money in both Prem league and Championship, but if you accept the principal of foreign ownership, that's what you get, as the fit and proper test isn't really fit for purpose. If we didn't have foreign money, we'd potentially see English club football slide down the rankings behind the other European big leagues.

 

[jowwy]

1. best manager ever to grace an EPL team.

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2. What do you think about my second question ie retrospective examination of the current ownership structure of clubs in the light of plans to upweight the due diligence process?

My own position would be that it ought to happen full stop - but especially if CFC are subject to them during the current pre-sale process if the EPL / Gov' want to ensure parity.

ok i will answer the number comments

1. He's the reason i hate UTD, can't stand the man and he still hangs around like a bad smell over the club, they won't move on while he i still there, so i hope he stays there forever

2. If we are going to retrospectively look at club structures and ownership, we won't have any clubs left.....america, egypt, china, iran, iraq all still have the death penalty and you could say most clubs are linked to those countries in some way, either by way of sponsorship, ownership, players etc etc

How far do you want them to go and for what reason?? would you be asking these things if chelsea wasn't being sanctioned in light of the russian war on ukraine??

Also the countries that do have human rights issues are not threats to global security in the way russia are and the way Putin is currently running russia.....

That's my take on it and i don't agree with countries still having the death penalty or executing people

 

[SpokeyDokey]

I wouldn't be asking these questions before these recent events, that's me being 100% honest.

As Klopp said a few days back - the whole of society turns a blind eye when it suits. Which is true.

My only thought re retrospective examination of clubs is that if a new 'whiter than white' standard is to be applied to CFC then it should be applied to all other clubs too - regardless of the consequences.

The problem to my mind is that this becomes a political issue at the highest level with inter-nation interests bearing down on the process eg let's not *iss off the Saudis as we want more oil from them to decrease our dependence on Russia.

Can you imagine the outcry, from the media and our opposition fans if, for example, the insanely wealthy Saudi Media bid for CFC, assuming it is accepted re valuation criteria, gets a green light from the Government. And tbh, seeing as we are buying oil from, and selling arms, to the Saudis then I don't see how it couldn't.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

And now CFC cannot give their tickets away for free!

Forgive me if I am being dumb but that sounds like vindictiveness to the fans as the proposed activity makes CFC precisely zero profit.

Hopefully this stupid condition of the sanction is overturned.

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Fed up with footy now - off to clear leaves from the gutters of the house. 🙂

 

[jowwy]

And now CFC cannot give their tickets away for free!

Forgive me if I am being dumb but that sounds like vindictiveness to the fans as the proposed activity makes CFC precisely zero profit.

wouldnt they be in the stadium buying food, drink, programmes, hospitality etc etc etc....so would be making money or are all those options totally lockdown during the sanctions??

 

[SpokeyDokey]

wouldnt they be in the stadium buying food, drink, programmes, hospitality etc etc etc....so would be making money or are all those options totally lockdown during the sanctions??

All are locked, shutdown at least at Stamford Bridge.

I think the fans would be happy if they were open/available and all proceeds went to an appropriate charity in Ukraine.

Maybe too many legal complications to do the latter.