The Met Office and its seasonal problems

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Paulus

Started young, and still going.
Location
Barnet,
The cold snap the met office predicted in November seems to be a bit prolonged.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Long range weather forecasting has always been bull-shoot wildly innacurate scientifically hard to justify anyway.

This phrase in the article made me giggle:
As another document put it, "'Intelligent' customers (such as the Cabinet Office) find probabilistic forecasts helpful in planning their resource deployment."
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
If you never saw a weather forecast again would it actually impact on your life?

Seriously yes ... I'm adicted to weather forecasts ... I will watch multiple ones each day, and even on holiday when I like to shun pc's and tv's the one thing I still want them for is the weather forecast. I look at the predicted future weather just to get an indication ... but I don't assume that is what the weather is actually going to be. But I'm probably not your average viewer of forecasts ... as a child I had a subscription to TORRO! (The Tornado and Storm Research Organisation). I wish I had studied weather in greater detail but the physics element of it was a bit beyond me.
 

asterix

Comrade Member
Location
Limoges or York
Ditto. If I am going to make a big 'ole in a SW facing wall (and I most certainly shall) then I want to pick a week of Northerlies. Not too hard to predict IMO.

the physics element of it was a bit beyond me.

Isn't that the Met Office's complaint, too?
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Isn't that the Met Office's complaint, too?

What ... that its beyond them :biggrin: ?

No I would like to have studied Meteorology at Uni ... but I struggled with understanding concepts in physics such as electricity etc so felt it wasn't for me. I did touch upon it in my degree and do remember flapping butterfly wings etc. And unlike some of the general public I can see how by being just slightly out with the figures can give a dramatically different outcome. It would be far easier to get the weather right if you lived elsewhere in the world - which makes living here interesting I guess.
 
What ... that its beyond them :biggrin: ?

No I would like to have studied Meteorology at Uni ... but I struggled with understanding concepts in physics such as electricity etc so felt it wasn't for me. I did touch upon it in my degree and do remember flapping butterfly wings etc. And unlike some of the general public I can see how by being just slightly out with the figures can give a dramatically different outcome. It would be far easier to get the weather right if you lived elsewhere in the world - which makes living here interesting I guess.
If you remember flapping butterfly wings, you understand the essence of the weather forecasting problem. The very fact that the predictable is unpredictable, that random noise in the input data totally changes the output. This is chaos at work. This is not confined to physics, it springs up in every branch of our daily lives. It's why I cannot tell you whether the M25 is going to be totally snarled up tonight, or merely 'very busy'. A single vehicle might make the crucial difference. So it is with weather. I think the Met Office do a marvellous job, it's just that lay people expect more, expect input that the underlying statistics can't deliver. It's why lay people, having seen a tossed coin come up heads six times, expect the next toss to be tails. Things just don't work that way!

And another thing: remember that the antagonists in this little spat are the GWPF, an organisation which sets out to rubbish every human-origin global warming theory in circulation, and to discredit every authority (that presumably includes the Met Office) which stands in the way of its agenda...
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
the GWPF, an organisation which sets out to rubbish every human-origin global warming theory in circulation, and to discredit every authority.... which stands in the way of its agenda...
Ah, it's that lot. I note that its Board of Trustees contains no scientists at all and its Academic Council has only one person with remotely relevant expertise.
 
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