The Netherlands seems like a more civilised country

[BentMikey]

From what I have heard it is not quite the utopia it is made out to be. In some places (e.g. rural A roads) cyclists are banned from the road and have to use the facilities, which means if you want to cycle quickly then you can't since you end up slowed down by the slower cyclists.

If your bike is wider than 75cm you can use the roads. A Quest Velomobile is 76.5cm for this very reason.

 

[jonny jeez]

The Netherlands seems like a more civilised country

Rubbish, what can be more civilised than tea and crumpets, pints in the pub garden, Battenberg cake, Gin and tonic, fighting with car drivers, football holliganism,....

sorry, what was the question again